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Can executive amnesty for illegals be killed by Congress?
Dan Miller's Blog ^ | November 6, 2014 | Dan Miller

Posted on 11/06/2014 12:30:12 PM PST by DanMiller

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1 posted on 11/06/2014 12:30:12 PM PST by DanMiller
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To: DanMiller

It doesn’t matter whether Congress CAN block executive amnesty, because they AGREE with amnesty:

House Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan, and Judiciary Committee chairman Bob Goodlatte, among others, are developing the “principles” in a process coordinated by Boehner’s new top immigration adviser, Becky Tallent. Tallent worked for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), a member of the Senate Gang of Eight, for years, having helped write the failed immigration bill McCain pushed with the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) in the final years of the Bush administration.

The “principles,” the Wall Street Journal wrote, will grant legalization – amnesty – to illegal aliens and would give corporate CEOs exactly what they want: more cheap labor in the form of more tech visas, more importing of low-skilled labor, and other measures that would harm the over 100 million American workers out of the workforce right now.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/16/Wall-Street-Journal-Boehner-s-amnesty-principles-supports-major-planks-of-Senate-Gang-of-Eight-amnesty


2 posted on 11/06/2014 12:33:23 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (I'M WITH CRUZ!)
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To: DanMiller

Defund everything.


3 posted on 11/06/2014 12:34:24 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: DanMiller

Lets quickly concoct excuses, set up the ground work, and portray everyone in D.C. as helpless bystanders. Hopefully none will notice all the winks and nods when amnesty is made law...


4 posted on 11/06/2014 12:34:50 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DanMiller

1) tell Obama EVERY appointment he tries to make will be DOA ...


5 posted on 11/06/2014 12:36:26 PM PST by 11th_VA (It may be legal, but it's still wrong)
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To: DanMiller

I am all for comprehensive immigration reform.

1.) Stop all visas
2.) Cancel all green cards
3.) Ship ‘em all back.
4.) Build the d*** fence.
5.) Photo ID to vote.
6.) Stop the nonsense that born on US soil is auto citizen, at least one parent has to be a citizen already.
7.) Any order would be fine.

Probably a few things I didn’t think of also.


6 posted on 11/06/2014 12:39:15 PM PST by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Pressure must be placed on Boehner. He might have some vested interest in it since his daughter married a Jamaican (?) construction worker with long dreadlocks and a drug record. I don’t know if the guy is illegal or has relatives and friends who are illegals.


7 posted on 11/06/2014 12:42:32 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

This is one of the reasons I am in favor of an article 5 convention for the sole purpose of repealing the 16th and 17th amendments. This would fix most of our problems as soon as they had NO MONEY.


8 posted on 11/06/2014 12:44:18 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: SolidRedState

Good points.


9 posted on 11/06/2014 12:46:06 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: DanMiller
I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.

And then the executive actions that I take go away.


That's like saying, "I'm going to rape you. You can consent and then it's not rape. But one way or the other I'm going to have you." (h/t A. Jones)

10 posted on 11/06/2014 12:47:45 PM PST by Ray76 (We must destroy the Uniparty or be destroyed by them.)
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To: DanMiller

THERE IS NOTHING TO REFORM!!! Enforce the damned laws.


11 posted on 11/06/2014 12:49:11 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Resolute Conservative
Defund everything.

THIS!!

1- Then add Special Prosecutors galore (Fast and Furious, Benghazi and IRS)

2- Then add a bill removing the Attorney General out of purview of the President, and subordinate to a Board of Governors from the states.

3- Then, put all Inspector Generals within the federal government directly subordinate to a special House committee. Every single one of them.

4- Then, return the militia back to the states and solve the issue of funding by way of import tariffs, and by savings from defunding welfare and foreign aid.

Clip that mofo permanently!!!!!!!

12 posted on 11/06/2014 1:00:06 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: DanMiller

make a law and override his veto


13 posted on 11/06/2014 1:02:53 PM PST by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: DanMiller
The Sergeant at Arms is authorized to arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules, including the President of the United States.

source: http://www.senate.gov/reference/office/sergeant_at_arms.htm
14 posted on 11/06/2014 1:04:24 PM PST by SpaceBar
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I've seen a lot of commentary about refusing to fund, but that's a joke: a) Obama will ignore it; b) the courts may find that micromanagement of executive actions by means of the purse is unconstitutional; c) the courts will probably refuse to order Obama to obey the law, both because the are corrupted with pinko Democrats and because they have no effective enforcement mechanism of the Executive refuses to enforce a decision.

If the Congress finds that the Executive is not faithfully executing the law, the Constitutional remedy is impeachment, which is a political impossibility at the moment.

They could try to defund but they would need to emphasize that every official processing illegal alien amnesty paperwork is subject to future indictment for malappropriation of funds, abuse of authority, etc.

15 posted on 11/06/2014 2:06:35 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Salvavida
#1 could be done, but even if such prosecutors are set-up, they will be stonewalled completely by every agency.

#2 and #3 are clearly unconstitutional and would struck down by the courts even if passed.

#4 would be vetoed.

We need impeachment, or an Article V convention so the current Fed gov can be abolished and re-constituted by the states, or we need someone or some group to remove Obama by force.

The first is politically impossible, the second unlikely and the third frightful to contemplate.

We're screwed, and Obama knows it.

16 posted on 11/06/2014 2:13:17 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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I have a question about the president’s constitutional authority to grant amnesty, “pardons” the word used in the Constitution, to illegal immigrants.

Key wording in the Constitution’s Clause 1 of Section 2 of Article II reads as follows.

”… and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States [emphasis added], …"

As an axample of a presidential pardon, President George Washingon had ultimately pardoned the farmers involved in the Whiskey Rebellion for breaking a federal law. So the concern is, since the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate immigration, it would seem that the POTUS has no constitutional authority to grant federal amnesty to people who violate 10th Amendment-protected state immigration laws. I would think that only state governments, particularly governors, would have the state authority to pardon people who violate state laws.

What am I overlooking?

17 posted on 11/06/2014 2:24:50 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: pierrem15
Defunding specific projects has to be done very carefully. It requires thought, research and work. The legislation should specifically state, for example, that no funds appropriated for x, y or z can be used for a, b, etc. and that any unauthorized use of funds for x, y or z for a, b, etc. is a criminal act, punishable pursuant to specified sections of the legislation funding x, y and z.
18 posted on 11/06/2014 2:27:50 PM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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Can executive amnesty for illegals be killed by Congress?

Of course they can. Nothing happens in America without money. Congress controls the checkbook.


19 posted on 11/06/2014 2:45:03 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American.. Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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Punishable by whom? Certainly not Obama, and he will pardon anyone who does what he wants before leaving office.

This is a slow motion coup d'etat: Obama is unperturbed by Dem losses not just because he's an arrogant, narcissistic ass but because he understands that he doesn't need the Congress to govern.

The Fed gov will continue to collect 3 trillion with a 'T' tax dollars, and he will spend them any way he wants.

The Pubs can't shutdown the gov, because of all the mouths suckling at the Federal teat, from grandma on Social Security, to defense contractors, to student loans to welfare queens, just about every family in America gets something from Uncle Sam.

The power of the purse is a quaint notion in such circumstances, not only because Obama is a shameless criminal but because the political pressure to keep the funding going is impossible to resist, and as long as Obama has any cash at all, he will spend it the way he likes.

20 posted on 11/06/2014 2:55:07 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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