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god hates mini-hitlers: tanking oil price a catastrophe for the putin regime
Reaganite Republican ^ | 15 October 2014 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 10/15/2014 7:03:07 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

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To: pfony1
The tax would create a “floor” price, say $90 per barrel.

Please, no addition Governmental manipulations of the market.

They only real way for government to help industry is quit trying to manipulate it.

No new taxes, no new regulations. Thinking the government is going to help US industry with additional taxes is crazy.

They would distort the market and make it cheaper to import gasoline than crude oil.

21 posted on 10/15/2014 10:06:37 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
It is not a disaster when oil prices go down, except for the oil industry. Even at $80/bbl, pumping oil is profitable.

You are incorrect. I can assure you, we're preparing to shut ours down.
22 posted on 10/15/2014 11:07:09 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: pfony1
I really like the idea of US energy independence.

That's a very short sighted approach. I would rather trade my enemies relatively small amounts of money (oil is cheap) for a finite resource while leaving my own in tact. If you'd rather trade all your water to your enemy for money, go right ahead, but finite resources aren't something to use when you can simply purchase someone else's, especially when they're not a friend.
23 posted on 10/15/2014 11:09:31 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: thackney

I agree with you to a point.

The Saudis have the ability to bankrupt their competition (our oil producers) in the short run with predatory pricies — which will enable them to MAXIMIZE their profits in the long run.

So the market is already distorted.

My “solution” may not be the best answer — but it would take a harmful weapon out of the Saudis’ hands.

I agree that “our” clowns in Washington could not be trusted to handle such a program with any competence.


24 posted on 10/15/2014 11:40:57 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: Dr. Sivana
There is still a market for Russian arms, caviar and minks. Real proletariat stuff.

To a large extent it is the proletariat that's buying AK-47s and ammo. My friends who own them are not exactly among the rich.

25 posted on 10/15/2014 11:53:53 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Available from Amazon.)
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To: pfony1

We still import ~7.5 MMBPD of Crude Oil. We actually import more than we need, refine into products and sell that surplus at for a trade improvement.

But when crude oil is refined, it doesn’t produce a perfect match for our consumption of all the different products that come out the refinery. We are still a net gasoline importer, while we are a diesel exporter. We also export a decent amount of the refinery “leftovers”, petroleum coke and residual oil, stuff that isn’t made into transportation fuel.

We still need more gasoline than we make ourselves, mostly imported as blending products to make the specific “recipes” required in different locations.

Making the US uneconomic with $15 import tax, as to all other countries with refining capacity, would close refineries before the US oil production would ever catch up.

I don’t believe Saudis have quite the surplus capacity you imagine, enough to bankrupt their competition. They could drive the price down to a lower level for a while, but then have no surplus capacity to handle disruptions like the next warring faction in Middle East. For example, it has taken Libya quite a while to get back up to speed. Saudi have been the only country willing to hold back production for such contingencies. Without that surplus capacity, we would see price spikes with any significant disruption that would make 2008 seem mild.

More government taxes, even on just imports, would result in us shutting down refineries, and importing more expensive products.


26 posted on 10/15/2014 11:59:57 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

I’m sorry I was not more clear.

The idea is to have a tax that varies to keep the price of imported oil at (for example) $90 per barrel. Therefore, if the Saudis sold a barrel to the US at $80, the tax would be $10. If Venezuela sold a barrel to the US for $70, the tax would be $20. Since $90 per barrel is less than the current market price, all current market participants “should” be protected.

I believe you know more about all the different oil markets than I do.

So maybe my thought that “Where there’s a will, there’s a way” is naive...


27 posted on 10/15/2014 12:39:04 PM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: TexasGunLover

No one is entitled to a specific price or profit.


28 posted on 10/15/2014 9:39:58 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: pfony1

I am certain, more government tax, more problems and destruction of US jobs.

And the more complicated the tax, the more problems for us.

Government is never a means of an economic solution.


29 posted on 10/15/2014 11:02:46 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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