Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Our sons know they could be the next Michael Brown. But they should never surrender
The Manchester Guardian ^ | October 12, 2014 | Claudia Rankine

Posted on 10/12/2014 1:51:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-58 last
To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our sons know they could be the next Michael Brown.

Why? Are your sons dirt bag wannabe gangsters that rob stores and attack police officers?


41 posted on 10/12/2014 2:59:36 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

They could stay in school and then get a job......nah. They’d rather rob the few businesses still open in their slums and then blame the cops for arresting them.


42 posted on 10/12/2014 3:05:09 PM PDT by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
I get it, I'm racist. I owe you, etc etc.

Yawn.

43 posted on 10/12/2014 3:10:10 PM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
abandoned malls, boarded-up stores, homes in disrepair, the occasional fast-food place, gas stations and, finally, the Ferguson Market

The 'movement' has a shop-black campaign going on the side. One of their targets is Faraci's Pizza, terrorized for weeks and the home of argueably the best pizza in STL. Militants want to run the family out of town so a 'black' pizza parlor can open in its place. But I have to ask, where are all the energetic black enterpreneurs? Why aren't the boarded up storefronts already occupied? Where are the blacks who are willing to open a business like everyone else - by carefully saving money working for someone before taking the risk-everything leap into the regulation, insurance, city ordinance, marketing, tax and time-robbing hell that owning a small business has become? The boarded up storefronts tell the real story about the militants - they are takers not givers.

44 posted on 10/12/2014 3:14:21 PM PDT by blueplum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mamas don’t let you babies grow up to be thugs.
Don’t let them steal and shove store owners.
Make ‘em be honest and responsibile and such.


45 posted on 10/12/2014 3:23:35 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

But they should never surrender...

How about giving up thuggish behavior? Is that too much to ask?


46 posted on 10/12/2014 3:25:14 PM PDT by billhilly (.Have you heard the latest Joe Biden whopper?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ouchthatonehurt

“Our sons” by other mothers.


47 posted on 10/12/2014 3:28:47 PM PDT by billhilly (.Have you heard the latest Joe Biden whopper?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
They keep shouting (and some, threatening) and I'm going to keep saying, more whites than blacks are killed while being arrested.

The Obama-Holder demagogues and race-grievance industry don't care about facts -- regardless of the outcome in Ferguson.

So I ask the Obama-Holder U.S. Dept. of Just Us demagogues and the race-grievance industry, what about us whites? But of course that eliminates exploiting race which is more important than any poor victim.

The ARD data show that whites are more likely to die while being arrested and IMO there is no doubt that some of those deaths were the intention of the police.

To be fair to the police I bet that policemen don't care about race compared to protecting themselves from being killed or maimed.

Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables

"From 2003 through 2009, a total of 4,813 deaths were reported to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ (BJS) Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD) program."

Of these, about 6 in 10 deaths (2,931) were classified as homicide by law enforcement personnel, and 4 in 10 (1,882) were attributed to other manners of death.

Table 1 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death, 2003-2009

Manner of death 2003-2009 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
All manners 4,813 627 673 689 721 745 629 729
Homicide —by law enforcement 2,931 376 375 377 447 455 404 497
by other persons 27 3 4 4 2 7 3 4
Suicide 541 60 84 82 67 78 76 94
Intoxication 525 83 83 90 76 89 54 50
Accidental injury 272 53 41 47 39 35 28 29
Natural causes 244 26 46 32 34 42 33 31
Unknown 273 26 40 57 56 39 31 24
Note: Due to variation in reporting, caution should be used in comparing counts from year to year. See Methodology for information on missing data by state for each year. Counts may differ from previous publication due to additional information.

Table 5 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death and demographic characteristics, 2003-2009

Demographic
characteristics
All manners Homicide Suicide Intoxication Accident Natural causes Unknown
Total 4,813 2,958 541 525 272 244 273
Sex
Male 4,594 2,851 517 490 259 218 259
Female 218 107 24 35 13 26 13
Unknown 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
Race/Hispanic origin
White, non-Hispanic 2,026 1,233 327 178 95 110 83
Black, non-Hispanic 1,529 937 80 217 111 85 99
Hispanic 949 599 110 109 55 29 47
Other* 150 107 12 17 4 4 6
Unknown 159 82 12 4 7 16 38
Age
17 or younger 127 99 6 5 13 0 4
18-24 909 685 80 53 54 10 27
25-34 1,391 893 140 177 65 41 75
35-44 1,238 658 159 190 78 66 87
45-54 752 390 105 84 45 75 53
55 or older 317 188 44 11 12 52 10
Unknown 79 45 7 5 5 0 17
*Includes American Indians, Alaska Natives, Asians, Native Hawaiians, other Pacific Islanders, and persons of two or more races.

To me this shows that it is not a racial thing. It happens to all races. These figures however do not show those thought "murdered" by police. I have not yet located data for recent years. Why can't I find data for recent years? I do not know.. maybe the Dept of Just Us and Race-Grievance Industry don't want it known that whites are the most likely to die being arrested.

And yes it is to be expected that more whites die while being arrested because there are at least more than six times as many whites as blacks.

Which brings me to another table I am wont to post..

considering that whites outnumber blacks by at least six-to-one aren't these figures a bit out of whack?

Expanded Homicide Data
Table 6 data for multiple years.

FBI Homicides Statistics

Year of
Stats
Race of
Victims

Total
White
Offenders
Black
Offenders
Unknown
& other
2012
White
3,128
2,614
431
83
Black
2,648
193
2,412
43
2011
White
3,172
2,630
448
94
Black
2,695
193
2,447
55
2010
White
3,327
2,777
447
103
Black
2,720
218
2,459
43
2009
White
3,518
2,963
454
101
Black
2,867
209
2,604
54
2008
White
3,643
3,036
504
103
Black
3,024
230
2,722
72
2007
White
3,587
2,918
566
103
Black
3,221
245
2,905
71
2006
White
3,709
3,026
573
110
Black
3,303
208
3,034
61
2005
White
3,785
3,150
516
119
Black
3,289
230
2,984
75
2004
White
3,727
3,123
522
85
Black
3,067
228
2,784
55
1995
White
4,954
4,124
699
131
Black
4,764
281
4,422
61

I did not find data for the years 1996 through 2003

www.fbi.gov About Us CJIS UCR Crime in the U.S. Here's the links to most of the FBI tables I referenced above.

Here's 2012

Here's 2011

Here's 2010

Here's 2009

Here's 2008

Here's 2007

Here's 2006

Here's 2005

If some of you are tired of me being tired of the lies and misrepresentations by the Obama-Holder demagogues and the race-grievance industry this will really tick you off. I'm going whole hog now and posting my favorite tables of all.. IMO proof that the Obama-Holder demagogues and the race-grievance industry don't really want an honest discussion. The four right-most columns on the Offenders table are my addition. The FBI tables do not contain those columns. I added those columns to show a dearth of white offenders vis-a-vis white victims and just the opposite for blacks who show a dearth of victims vis-a-vis black offenders.

It is only a guess on my part but are tens of thousands of black offenders helping us lazy white offenders to victimize whites? We really don't need that kind help and consideration.

Victims' Race
by Offense Category, 2012

Offense Category "Total Victims1" White Black "American Indian or
Alaskan Native"
"Asian/Pacific
Islander"
"Unknown Race"
Total 4,332,695 3,156,006 901,159 22,326 50,615 202,589
Crimes Against Persons 1,327,863 893,984 374,220 11,133 10,072 38,454
Assault Offenses 1,228,498 820,215 354,624 10,126 9,274 34,259
Homicide Offenses 3,943 1,885 1,940 22 34 62
Kidnapping/Abduction 15,797 10,946 4,059 162 181 449
Sex Offenses, Forcible 73,132 55,876 12,569 743 546 3,398
Sex Offenses, Nonforcible 6,493 5,062 1,028 80 37 286
Crimes Against Property 3,004,832 2,262,022 526,939 11,193 40,543 164,135
Arson 12,300 7,816 2,706 48 109 1,621
Bribery 250 197 35 3 2 13
Burglary/Breaking & Entering 538,561 402,371 106,177 1,776 7,124 21,113
Counterfeiting/Forgery 39,203 30,973 4,335 166 509 3,220
Destruction/Damage/Vandalism 660,184 485,374 129,772 2,791 8,657 33,590
Embezzlement 3,654 3,053 364 11 38 188
Extortion/Blackmail 1,207 902 221 3 28 53
Fraud Offenses 216,429 163,449 34,812 530 3,010 14,628
Larceny/Theft Offenses 1,262,354 992,072 177,229 4,752 16,507 71,794
Motor Vehicle Theft 159,295 106,661 39,588 621 2,057 10,368
Robbery 81,554 47,647 29,138 396 2,155 2,218
Stolen Property Offenses 29,841 21,507 2,562 96 347 5,329
1 This table includes only individual (person) victims and does not include business, financial institution, government, religious organization, or other victims. Victims are counted once for each offense type to which they are connected.

Offenders' Race
by Offense Category, 2012

Offense Category "Total Victims1" White Black "American
Indian or
Alaskan
Native"
"Asian/
Pacific
Islander"
"Unknown
Race"
Number of
white victims
vs.
number of
white offenders
Number of
black victims
vs.
number of
black offenders
Total 4,556,183 2,574,105 1,261,337 39,967 29,895 650,879
Crimes Against Persons 1,297,153 768,147 452,877 12,905 9,718 53,506 125,837 -78,657 1.16 0.83
Assault Offenses 1,199,433 706,529 425,744 11,963 8,899 46,298 113,686 -71,120 1.16 0.83
Homicide Offenses 4,465 1,798 2,232 29 27 379 87 -292 1.05 0.87
Kidnapping/Abduction 16,328 9,432 5,890 178 150 678 1,514 -1,831 1.16 0.69
Sex Offenses, Forcible 70,441 45,694 17,745 650 593 5,759 10,182 -5,176 1.22 0.71
Sex Offenses, Nonforcible 6,486 4,694 1,266 85 49 392 368 -238 1.08 0.81
Crimes Against Property 2,361,079 1,180,180 572,430 18,083 13,504 576,882 1,081,842 -45,491 1.92 0.92
Arson 10,827 5,796 2,124 71 45 2,791 2,020 582 1.35 1.27
Bribery 412 298 94 5 4 11 -101 -59 0.66 0.37
Burglary/Breaking & Entering 316,477 135,148 67,924 1,615 1,188 110,602 267,223 38,253 2.98 1.56
Counterfeiting/Forgery 68,197 41,299 16,845 317 488 9,248 -10,326 -12,510 0.75 0.26
Destruction/Damage/Vandalism 434,796 210,310 97,822 3,270 2,313 121,081 275,064 31,950 2.31 1.33
Embezzlement 18,520 12,548 4,881 56 136 899 -9,495 -4,517 0.24 0.07
Extortion/Blackmail 1,180 657 316 2 22 183 245 -95 1.37 0.70
Fraud Offenses 173,359 92,094 37,757 903 1,178 41,427 71,355 -2,945 1.77 0.92
Larceny/Theft Offenses 1,100,592 587,178 244,545 10,043 6,837 251,989 404,894 -67,316 1.69 0.72
Motor Vehicle Theft 85,909 37,404 18,213 858 450 28,984 69,257 21,375 2.85 2.17
Robbery 105,005 26,173 70,039 483 468 7,842 21,474 -40,901 1.82 0.42
Stolen Property Offenses 45,805 31,275 11,870 460 375 1,825 -9,768 -9,308 0.69 0.22
Crimes Against Society 897,951 625,778 236,030 8,979 6,673 20,491 -625,778 -236,030
Drug/Narcotic Offenses 790,828 566,888 194,224 8,351 5,453 15,912 -566,888 -194,224
Gambling Offenses 2,320 873 1,230 11 113 93 -873 -1,230
Pornography/Obscene Material 5,962 4,691 659 24 36 552 -4,691 -659
Prostitution Offenses 12,182 7,248 4,199 52 373 310 -7,248 -4,199
Weapon Law Violations 86,659 46,078 35,718 541 698 3,624 -46,078 -35,718
1Does not include 1,741,162 incidents with Unknown Offenders. Offenders are counted once for each offense type to which they are connected.
48 posted on 10/12/2014 3:37:34 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rktman

Fake surrenders ... Not a good idea. Ever.


49 posted on 10/12/2014 3:38:42 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Monday is the big day of disobedience.

Protesters are training to rush police departments.

On Friday night, the large crowd of about 600 pushed up on the Ferguson PD parking lot and switched from “Our streets” to “Our building”.

Can’t imagine what would be inside that protesters might want...>sarc<


50 posted on 10/12/2014 4:33:10 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

St. Louis Post Dispatch reports it was a Smith and Wesson recovered.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/teen-in-shaw-shooting-died-from-gunshot-to-right-cheek/article_2d5a8c2a-97db-5cec-a477-1130d7d26f7e.html

Here is Myers with a Smith and Wesson Sigma series on his lap.

http://imgur.com/a/4Gmss

And the prerequisite “Lean”.


51 posted on 10/12/2014 4:35:44 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Molon Labbie

Oops forgot the link.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/at-church-in-lafayette-neighborhood-protesters-prepare-to-get-arrested/article_b7195262-0d9e-5530-93b0-2b0d88e1dfce.html

http://live.stltoday.com/Event/FergusonOctober_protests

Tomorrow is going to be ate up like a warm soup sandwich, no pun intended.


52 posted on 10/12/2014 4:38:01 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Molon Labbie
Protesters are training to rush police departments.

Weeks of trying to provoke the cops hasn't delivered the result they need, so now they are resorting to this? Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

53 posted on 10/12/2014 4:40:27 PM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

and everyone but the blacks themselves are supposed to fix it for them.

this is why welfare needs to be cut off. people need to learn to work together and learn how to do things and not expect others to fix it for them.


54 posted on 10/12/2014 4:48:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rktman; liege

How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8


55 posted on 10/12/2014 5:08:32 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: uncitizen

There is a hardcore group who want a confrontation and they are going to get it.

When Tef Poe says things like “Don’t come to Ferguson unless you are prepared to die!” sounds like martyrdom to me.


56 posted on 10/12/2014 5:12:21 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: rktman
Wow. What great advice. Don’t surrender, get shot. Sounds right. Fookin’ idjits! Stand up to THE MAN! You too can be a wanna be martyr.

Kinda reminds one of a certain peaceful religion...

57 posted on 10/13/2014 2:59:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
If your son is the next Mike Brown, then you have failed as a parent, and you have no one to blame but yourself.
58 posted on 10/15/2014 8:25:24 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (The time is now to form up into leaderless cells of 5 men or less.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-58 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson