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How long has Scotland been slipping away from conservatism and into socialism? I’ve read that Thatcher got about 34% of the Scottish vote in 1979 (with Tory proportion of the vote gradually declining with each election), and I’ve also read that this decline started before Thatcher. I know that Scotland didn’t like monetarism due to its refusal to subsidize Scotland’s dying manufacturing industry, however, which paints a different light.

Americans revolted against their government because of what it did do (and you could say they will soon revolt because of its actions), and that seems to be the case for Ireland as well (but the radicalized elements of the IRA had enormous influence from 1922 to 1969, so I wouldn’t use Ireland as an example of a country which began to slide away from radicalism once it gained its independence). The Scottish “yes” voters, on the other hand, are complaining about Westminster inaction, such as its refusal to make college free and alleged privatization of the NHS. It is true that the Scottish nationalists adopt anti-tax rhetoric, making their platform supply-side (low taxes, high spending), but the result of the adoption of supply side economics eventually leads to either higher taxes or collapse, since politicians will never cut government spending if left to their own devices (and the welfare state has been consistently popular in Scotland).

Because of that, I have a hard time believing that Scotland will be willing to get rid of their welfare state. A yes vote could be a valuable learning experience for them, but it would also be painful. If the Scottish nationalist parties were right wing, independence would be clearly good for Scotland (since Westminster is indeed Leftist and a lover of high taxes), but the nationalist movements there have been left wing and there’s nothing other than the rantings of a few paranoid leftists to suggest that they will change.


82 posted on 09/18/2014 2:50:09 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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... but the radicalized elements of the IRA had enormous influence from 1922 to 1969, so I wouldn’t use Ireland as an example of a country which began to slide away from radicalism once it gained its independence ...

They were outside the government and after the Civil War ended they weren't really a factor in parliamentary politics if I remember correctly. And the socialist dreams of some of the revolutionaries didn't go anywhere in DeValera's Ireland. The Irish government after independence was, so far as I know, rather conservative -- in an Irish way. Now the country's becoming less and less distinctly Irish.

I don't know enough about the specifics of the Scottish case. Just saying that it's unusual for a country to have two strongly left-wing parties. Maybe Argentina qualifies. Once they have to pay for things themselves, rather than expect the English to pay things may change. Then again, if there's still oil money to fund things, it would support your view.

90 posted on 09/18/2014 3:15:07 PM PDT by x
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94 posted on 09/18/2014 3:22:04 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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