Posted on 09/03/2014 12:30:48 PM PDT by markomalley
I have been searching for moderate Islam since September 11 and just like a lost sock in the dryer, it was in the last place I expected it to be.
There is no moderate Islam in the mosques or in Mecca. You wont find it in the Koran or the Hadiths. If you want to find moderate Islam, browse the newspaper editorials after a terrorist attack or take a course on Islamic religion taught by a Unitarian Sociologist wearing fake native jewelry.
You cant find a moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran, but you can find it in countless network news specials, articles and books about the two homelands of their respective brands of Islam.
You wont find the fabled land of moderate Muslims in the east. You wont even find it in the west. Like all myths it exists in the imagination of those who tell the stories. You wont find a moderate Islam in the Koran, but you will find it in countless Western books about Islam.
Moderate Islam isnt what most Muslims believe. Its what most liberals believe that Muslims believe.
The new multicultural theology of the West is moderate Islam. Moderate Islam is the perfect religion for a secular age since it isnt a religion at all.
Take Islam, turn it inside out and you have moderate Islam. Take a Muslim who hasnt been inside a mosque in a year, who can name the entire starting lineup of the San Diego Chargers, but cant name Mohammeds companions and you have a moderate Muslim. Or more accurately, a secular Muslim.
An early generation of Western leaders sought the affirmation of their national destinies in the divine. This generation of Western leaders seeks the affirmation of their secular liberalism in a moderate Islam.
Even if they have to make it up.
Without a moderate Islam the Socialist projects of Europe which depend on heavy immigration collapse. Americas War on Terror becomes the endless inescapable slog that the rise of ISIS has once again revealed it to be. Multiculturalism, post-nationalism and Third World Guiltism all implode.
Without moderate Muslims, nationalism returns, borders close and the right wins. That is what they fear.
If there is no moderate Islam, no moderate Mohammed, no moderate Allah, then the Socialist Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has to go in the rubbish bin. The grand coalitions in which LGBT activists and Islamists scream at Jews over Gaza arent the future; theyre the Weimar Republic on wheels.
Flash back to Obama in his tan suit wearily saying that he has no strategy for ISIS. The original plan was to capture Osama alive, give him a civilian trial, cut a deal with the moderate Taliban and announce the end of the War on Terror before the midterm elections.
So much for that.
Moderate Islam is a difficult faith. To believe in it you have to disregard over a thousand years of recorded history, theology, demographics and just about everything that predates 1965. You have to ignore the bearded men chopping off heads because they dont represent the majority of Muslims.
Neither does Mohammed, who did his own fair share of headchopping.
A “moderate” muslim is one that is not yet in the majority!
I believe that the Shariah is the best way of life, he also said. I believe that one day Shariah will come to America and the rest of the world.
... He then contended that there is no such thing as radical Islam.
There is no such thing as a radical or moderate form of Islam, he said. You know, a woman is either pregnant or not pregnant. If you abide by Islam, and you follow what is in the Koran and the traditions of the prophet then, quite frankly, youd never find anything that I say which does not have Islamic basis.
Radical islam - there is no such thing as radical Islam.
Excellent article — explains a lot.
The Protestant movement destroyed the unity of Christianity, and Luther was actually a great fan of Islam and one of his causes was polygamy because he felt his wife couldn’t service him properly. Since he died of extreme constipation, I’d say he had a lot of personal problems for which his wife was not responsible.
There were already changes going on in the Church aimed at reining in some of the more bizarre things that had established themselves, in many cases because some areas had been overrun by Islam and they had no bishops. The bishop is the teacher of his diocese.
In any case, Islam cannot be changed in any way, because it is utterly controlled by its scriptures, a combination of Mohammed’s writings and some early interpretations of them. And Islam has no power structure..it vaguely goes through, in one group, the descendants of Mohammed’s daughter, and in the other, through a cousin. So there’s no central point through which one can deal with it.
Another great article from Daniel Greenfield.
Ping.
Virtually all Western heads of state rushed off to pray at mosques immediately following 9/11 BARF BARF BARF BARF BARF
Yours was pulled as a duplicate, but I’m pinging you to this one as a courtesy so you can ping your list.
This is one of Greenfield’s best by far. While I appreciate his erudite writing, at times he is too smart for the rest of us. This article strikes straight to the heart in plain, repetitive language. Too bad no liberal would admit one word as true.
It is of course, only a racist diatribe against Pax Islama, the only true peace since the seventh century.
I understand the policy. I trust humblegunner had a hand in this.
No, this one was just posted first.
Got it. Thanks for the heads up.
I’ll restate Greenfield’s point: there are many believers in moderate Islam. Unfortunately none of them are Muslims.
Amen.
I don’t like Putin, but he’s your basic Russian nationalist. So he’s at least partially rational, and has some objectives that can be dealt with.
Islam wants total submission of everybody, throughout the world, to an insane law that would enslave us all and crush the West, modern civilization and Christianity. There’s a difference.
“There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is only Islam” Former President of Eqypt.
Know it and believe it.
——The Protestant movement destroyed the unity of Christianity-——
You say that like before Luther the Church was unified....
You might want to check your history...
The excesses of human nature and the inevitable corruption that comes with too much power concentrated in the hands of a few in Rome destroyed the unity of the church. Selling indulgences and oppressing people to pay for the construction of the Vatican destroyed the truth of the Gospel. Luther wanted to reform the church, not destroy it.
Unlike Catholicism, the Reform movement never had and still has no central leader. It had then and continues to have greater and lesser leaders, teachers and witnesses who give testimony and live their conscience, worldwide. But the Reform church does not depend on Kings or Popes for organization.
Luther was not the sole cause of the Reform movement, any more than Obama is the sole arbiter of U.S. government, although he might like to be. Luther did not excommunicate himself. Many died in the wars that broke out over the struggle for power between the HRE, the Vatican, and the various crowned heads of Europe. Over the centuries, however, the "competition" between the three branches of Christianity (Orthodox, Catholic and Reform) has meant that all branches of the church have made improvements and have adopted many of each other's ideas over time.
It's rather churlish to take to FR to spread anti-Protestant "trutherism", just as it is churlish of non-Catholics to use FR to spread anti-Catholism. How does snarking about Luther's wife and his illnesses (one of which was Meuniere's disease, another was seizures) have to do with the eventual development of the core beliefs of the various Reform churches, which were winnowed by many Reform theologians in the 16th century, leaving out some of the musings the prolific Luther sketched out in favor of his Large and Small Cathechisms that crystallized the essence of a personal approach to worship, conscience, prayer, church and family leadership, and which formed major philosophical underpinnings to the Enlightenment, which in turn eventually gave birth to American project of freedom?
For the record, Benjamin Franklin had so many kidney stones he had to do headstands in order to pee. Abraham Lincoln had depression. George Washington had wooden false teeth, and never fathered any children that we know of. All of us fall short of the glory of God.
The Church was unified - except for the ebb and flow of mostly politically motivated difficulties between the Eastern and Western Church. The Latin Church survived better. If the Eastern Church had kept after things like Arianism and its related heresies, there would never have been an Islam.
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