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To: RFEngineer
Except that - if you're honest you would do the research and know that small pox had greatly declined before the vaccine, increased after the vaccine in westernized countries, and was effectively eradicated in third-world countries due to the surveillance and containment quarantine program.

Small pox eventually exterminated itself when people had access to clean water, good food, clean living conditions, and proper hygiene.

I did however, have a friend who got polio from the polio vaccination at 10, in the 60's. She was a paraplegic who died of lung cancer. Had she had full use of her lungs, would have realized there was a problem much sooner and may have been able to be treated. The only places there are still polio outbreaks are in places they give the oral vaccination.

We don't give Tamiflu when you don't have the flu, why should we be over medicating children based on hysterical "you may die" when in reality, most childhood diseases are a normal part of growing up and growing a healthy immune system. Your argument is based just as much on emotion as you claim to another poster.

Measles - treatable. Even with the vaccination as a kid, and two as a college student (didn't have proof at either college) I am not immune to measles, I found that out when I was pregnant. So I took personal responsibility and watched who I was around.

Chicken Pox - treatable.

Mumps - Treatable

Whooping Cough - Treatable

HPV Vaccination - teachable and preventable.

Maybe you can show me a study that shows vaccines are safe. You know, like a Double-blind, inert/saline placebo-controlled clinical trials.

If not that-- maybe you can show a study that shows how vaccinated children are healthier than unvaccinated children.

Oh wait, that probably doesn't exist either, maybe you could show me a study that proves vaccines do not have adverse reactions. Oh wait, even the CDC and package inserts show that not to be true, I know, there's got to be some way you can prove you are right.

Show me studies that prove vaccines do not cause any health conditions, including the ones they’re designed to prevent...again, that CDC warning, vaccination warnings, and gov vaccination fund rule this out.

Ok, since you said it first, show studies that show that herd immunity applies to vaccinations. Not just presumptions- show the proof (especially the mumps break out that just happened to a completely vaccinated group of college kids)

We know they don't give lifetime immunity, we know there is risk for taking them, we know people DIE from them...so really, isn't it up to the parents - not the gov, and not doctors to really have all the information, not just scare tactics to choose the best route for their family?

15 posted on 09/01/2014 5:00:59 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: porter_knorr

Are you saying vaccines do not work?


18 posted on 09/01/2014 5:15:58 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: porter_knorr

“Small pox eventually exterminated itself when people had access to clean water, good food, clean living conditions, and proper hygiene.”

The above statement is so completely wrong and ignorant that it is laughable. Small Pox did not just exterminate itself because of hygiene. It took a worldwide effort of immunization to end smallpox on this planet. The exposure of cowpox was known to give immunity a full 150 years prior to the last case in the wild. It didn’t just go extinct, it was actively eradicated and it was not simply clean water and washing ones hands that did it.

Fortunately it was spread only by contact with an infected person, or exposed materials, so concentrated, targeted active worldwide program that took over 10 years eradicated the disease, not clean water and soap.

The last outbreak in the US, was in 1949, and Europe as well saw it end mostly in the 1940s, due to vaccination and active containment of any outbreak reported.

Your proposition that clean drinking water and soap ended Smallpox is the most ignorant thing I have read on this site in a long long time.


22 posted on 09/01/2014 5:38:40 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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