Posted on 09/01/2014 12:50:02 PM PDT by porter_knorr
“Don’t waste your time trying to reason with these folks, they are emotional not logical.”
It’s not a waste of time. I am not trying to convince them.
My responses are for others who happen upon this thread thinking it’s OK to not vaccinate their kids. If this nonsense goes unresponded to, they may be given the false impression that they are somehow enlightened like the folks writing this nonsense.
The people on this thread advocating not vaccinating their kids against preventable diseases are killers. THey must not be allowed to spread death by ignorance without a response.
“Small pox eventually exterminated itself when people had access to clean water, good food, clean living conditions, and proper hygiene.”
The above statement is so completely wrong and ignorant that it is laughable. Small Pox did not just exterminate itself because of hygiene. It took a worldwide effort of immunization to end smallpox on this planet. The exposure of cowpox was known to give immunity a full 150 years prior to the last case in the wild. It didn’t just go extinct, it was actively eradicated and it was not simply clean water and washing ones hands that did it.
Fortunately it was spread only by contact with an infected person, or exposed materials, so concentrated, targeted active worldwide program that took over 10 years eradicated the disease, not clean water and soap.
The last outbreak in the US, was in 1949, and Europe as well saw it end mostly in the 1940s, due to vaccination and active containment of any outbreak reported.
Your proposition that clean drinking water and soap ended Smallpox is the most ignorant thing I have read on this site in a long long time.
Where am I wrong from the whole post, not just cherry picking a sentence.
It was already declining before the vaccination
It got worse when the vaccination was used regularly
then it declined again.
“Fortunately it was spread only by contact with an infected person, or exposed materials, so concentrated, targeted active worldwide program that took over 10 years eradicated the disease, not clean water and soap.”
So..soap and water and hygiene after being around an infected person or materials and having a better immunity because of the other - better food, better living conditions had NOTHING to do with the eradication of the disease?
Based on what evidence...aren’t you being just as emotional in your description of people?
Please tell me more about these deaths that the vaccinations are preventing.
You believe vaccines to be ineffective?
They do not create lifelong immunity, they do not cure diseases, they create numerous side effects that impact the well being of a person - what would make them effective exactly?
Thank you for your efforts.
I saw the widespread effects of polio in the 1950s.
You minimize their effectiveness and exaggerate their side effects.
Why?
You don’t answer any questions...why?
I don’t think the vaccination fund paid for by our taxes is an exaggeration - nor are the side effects on the CDC site, or the package inserts of the vaccinations. I don’t think death is an exaggeration. I don’t think my friend with polio from the polio virus is an exaggeration. Perhaps you think autism is an exaggeration, but I do not.
“I don’t think my friend with polio from the polio virus is an exaggeration. Perhaps you think autism is an exaggeration, but I do not.”
Vaccinations have side effects that are vastly, by many orders of magnitude outnumbered by the prevention of disease.
Why do you ignore this? You had a friend who got polio from a live-virus vaccine. How many lived disease free then and with improved vaccines?
You have no sense of proportionality.
There is no proof of autism from vaccines.
So stop suggesting that people don’t vaccinate their kids. You have no idea what damage you do pretending to understand something that is over your head.
You cannot provide any proof, beyond presumed proof -
But your blind allegiance to vaccinations are duly noted.
Between 1956 and 1960, there were an average of 450 children killed by measles every year. There were approximately 1500 additional cases of measles encephalitis per year, often with permanent brain damage. Between 1951 and 1954, there were an average of 1870 children killed per year by polio.
“But your blind allegiance to vaccinations are duly noted.”
I hope your kids don’t end up blind or dead because you refuse to acknowledge the profound and unarguable truth in the effectiveness of vaccinations.
Do what you will with your own kids (though I do feel sorry for them) but don’t hurt other peoples kids by pretending to somehow know more than those who literally save millions of lives through vaccines and mass immunization efforts.
I have read about the lawsuits won by those who have claimed the vaccines caused autism.
Have you ?
“I have read about the lawsuits won by those who have claimed the vaccines caused autism.
Have you ?”
I have. I’ve never read a scientific proof of it though. Are you saying a lawsuit constitutes scientific inquiry?
But you won’t post your “proof” why not?
Are you saying something stupid again ?
Why are you using 60 year old medical figures for today?
encephalitis is listed on the CDC website, and on the package insert as possible side but rare side effects.
I posted upthread the only places where there are polio outbreaks now are they use the oral vaccination. We don’t use it here, but we don’t mind shipping it elsewhere.
But I thought herd immunity worked...didn’t you say so up thread?
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