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To: NaturalBornConservative
No, and I didn't say that you were, but many Obama voters are, and now disillusioned as well, after seeing his policies in action for the last five and a half years. Obama won't be on the ballot in 2016, and there probably won't be another Black candidate, so I don't believe 2008 and 2012 set an irreversible trend.

Obama rode the demographic change. It really won't matter if the next candidate is Black or not. The Dems are gaining the upper hand demographically. They are becoming the permanent majority party. As I indicated previously, what state in 2012 that Obama won will Hillary or a Dem lose in 2016? Hillary will be another historic President, our first woman President.

I had a question mark behind that, because you cited stats for legal and illegal immigrants as if both are the problem. It sounded like you were saying we need to stop all immigration, otherwise everyone we let in will vote for the Democrats, or something. I understand you better now.

We need to reduce legal immigration substantially. We are importing poverty and surplus labor. Our immigration needs must have some correlation with our job and skill requirements. That is not the case now.

I provided you with multiple links and charts. Did you even bother to look at them?

I agree with that message. But, I too have lost all but a thread of faith in politicians on either side of the isle, as have many of my associates, on the left and right.

We have two wings of the same party. There is a serious disconnect between our political and corporate elites and the people. Sessions is making a case for the Reps to ditch the corporate elites and direct their efforts to the American worker who has been abandoned by both parties.

36 posted on 07/27/2014 2:11:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
As I indicated previously, what state in 2012 that Obama won will Hillary or a Dem lose in 2016? Hillary will be another historic President, our first woman President.

I don't know, we're still human and rebellion is in our nature. In other words, trends are made to be broken. It really depends on who's actually running, but who knows, maybe Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

We need to reduce legal immigration substantially. We are importing poverty and surplus labor. Our immigration needs must have some correlation with our job and skill requirements. That is not the case now.

(1) We have a problem with 12-20 million undocumented residents, that we've yet to solve, (2) now we have tens of thousands of unaccompanied children claiming to be refugees pouring over our border, and (3) you're talking about limiting the number of legal immigrants? That's where you lose me. We'll be lucky to deal with #1 and #2, if we could fix all three at once that would be great, but I don't think that's going to happen.

I provided you with multiple links and charts. Did you even bother to look at them?

Yes, I looked over the links and charts. Again, thanks for adding to the discussion. However, I don't necessarily buy all of those stats, for example, what is cited as welfare really isn't, at least not in the sense of cash and housing assistance. In other words, accepting Medicaid and Food Stamps, which is the bulk of what the authors call welfare, doesn't imply that these are non-working deadbeats, it's more an indication to me of how un-affordable health insurance still is in spite of Obamacare, and how easy government policy has made it to get food stamps (even encouraging people to apply). And, identifying non-citizens with political parties is at best speculative, the same kind of hype I was talking about, since they are not even eligible to vote.

We have two wings of the same party. There is a serious disconnect between our political and corporate elites and the people. Sessions is making a case for the Reps to ditch the corporate elites and direct their efforts to the American worker who has been abandoned by both parties.

That works for me, as long as small business owners are still considered American workers, and not everyone else's whipping boy.

37 posted on 07/27/2014 3:06:43 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative ("Something that everyone knows isn't worth knowing" ~ Bernard Baruch)
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