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To: kabar
Take a look at the electoral map and tell me what states Hillary will lose that Obama won? Do you think the Reps have a shot at winning CA? Demography is destiny.

I am from CA. When I last lived and voted there, Reagan carried the state (twice). So are you saying voters can't be persuaded? If all Republican's feel the way you do, then the party has pretty much sealed it's own fate. Many voted for Obama simply because he's black, not because they agreed so much with his or the Democratic platform. G.W. Bush won the presidency in 2000 and 2004, and now suddenly you're saying it's impossible to win again unless we stop all immigration (legal and illegal)? Sorry, but that's nonsense. What matters most is having a message that's genuine, and that the majority of American's agree with.

30 posted on 07/26/2014 12:08:23 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative ("Something that everyone knows isn't worth knowing" ~ Bernard Baruch)
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To: NaturalBornConservative
I am from CA. When I last lived and voted there, Reagan carried the state (twice). So are you saying voters can't be persuaded?

Demographically and politically CA is no longer the same state as when you lived there. The Democrats dominate the state and local government and the CA congressional delegation is becoming more and more Democrat. That is a reality.

If all Republican's feel the way you do, then the party has pretty much sealed it's own fate.

I am not delusional. I provided you with facts of how immigration and changing demographics are changing electoral politics. Limited government, lower taxes, and fiscal prudence don't resonate with these new voters. They vote on the basis of who has a D after their name.

Many voted for Obama simply because he's black, not because they agreed so much with his or the Democratic platform

As I said, we have entered the era of tribal politics. It is a reflection of the changing demographics.

G.W. Bush won the presidency in 2000 and 2004, and now suddenly you're saying it's impossible to win again unless we stop all immigration (legal and illegal)?

GW Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and barely won in 2004 despite being the incumbent President and a terrible Dem candidate in Kerry. Obama won overwhelmingly in 2008 and 2012 garnering more votes than any President in history. The Democrats are in the process of becoming the permanent majority party. No matter who they nominate in 2016, the nominee will be the odds on favorite to win. You just have to look at the electoral map to see what any Dem candidate starts with in terms of guaranteed electoral votes.

Where did I say, "it's impossible to win again unless we stop all immigration (legal and illegal)". We definitely need to reduce immigration levels down from the current 1.1 million a year to around the historical average of 200,000 to 300,000 a year, mainly because there is no correlation between our immigrant intake and our job needs. But certainly, reducing the numbers will help the current immigrants (including my wife) assimilate.

What matters most is having a message that's genuine, and that the majority of American's agree with.

Yes, and that message should be the one articulated by Jeff Sessions. " Becoming the Party of Work How the GOP can help struggling Americans, and itself. An excerpt:

When Americans went to the polls in 2012, the following was true: Work-force participation had sunk to its lowest level in 35 years, wages had fallen below 1999 levels, and 47 million Americans were on food stamps. Yet Mitt Romney, the challenger to the incumbent president, lost lower- and middle-income voters by an astonishing margin. Among voters earning $30,000 to $50,000, he trailed by 15 points, and among voters earning under $30,000 he trailed by 28 points.

And what did the GOP’s brilliant consultant class conclude from this resounding defeat? They declared that the GOP must embrace amnesty. The Republican National Committee dutifully issued a report calling for a “comprehensive immigration reform” that would inevitably increase the flow of low-skilled immigration, reducing the wages and living standards of the very voters whose trust the GOP had lost.

Over the past four decades, as factories were shuttered and blue-collar jobs were outsourced or automated, net immigration quadrupled. Yet the corporate-consultant class has pronounced that an insufficient level of immigration is the problem. A more colossal misreading of the political moment has rarely occurred.

Perhaps the most important political development now unfolding in the U.S. is the public’s growing loss of faith in our political and financial elites of both parties. To open the ears of disaffected voters, the GOP must break publicly from the elite immigration consensus of Wall Street and Davos. Republicans have a clear path to building a conservative majority if they free themselves from the corporate consultants and demonstrate to the American public that the GOP is the only party aligned with the core interests, concerns, and beliefs of everyday hardworking citizens.

32 posted on 07/26/2014 12:42:47 PM PDT by kabar
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