Posted on 06/09/2014 6:38:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Ammo should be the very last thing you barter away. It could come back to kill you.
Barter among allies and fellow members of local militias makes lots of sense. If we fall into barter mode, people will need to self organize into local defense forces, also known as militias.
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.22LR fascinates me. Its a diminutive bullet and yet I’ve read that every big game animal available to hunt has been successfully bagged with a .22.
Odd.
It’s all in the ballistics!
Bigfoot is still on the loose. Heh.
That’s what my friends tell me. Need to find an easy to understand tutorial on that. Most of the texts I’ve seen on the subject are very difficult to understand.
Trading 12ga rounds is just plain wrong, wrong, wrong.
Most especially in the SHTF world where survival is a day to day struggle.
You have to think out the whole trading thing from first point of contact. Who found whom? How many of them are there? Where are the ones you don’t see? How do you know that they even have something to trade? Continue cogitating all the minute elements of the “trading” until you have prepared for a return to your base without leaving tracks.
Truth has left the building in SHTF scenario. Any transaction at this stage should be conducted as though it were a large scale drug buy only more desperate and dangerous as there are no cops to interfere.
Until you start with these questions the 12ga.is a defense weapon.
More compact than alcohol and a longer shelf life than tobacco.
If they have no bullets, your reasoning is good but if they have any ammo and you have trade goods, then well....
I checked out the wax video, and it got me thinking.
During the US California gold rush (1848–1855), wax loads like that were called “prospector’s loads”, and used against claim jumpers. This set me to thinking about their use of melted Crayons, because undoubtedly the prospectors used beeswax. So what about the difference in melting points between waxes, and could that matter as a variable?
Paraffin wax 100F
Bayberry wax 116-120F
Soybean wax 120-135F
Crayons 120-147F
Palm wax 140F
Beeswax 144-147F
Low Density Polyethylene wax 221-239F
High Density Polyethylene wax 248-356F
I wonder if there is somebody out there who would like to do some experiments?
If you’re trading in a shtf scenario with people you don’t know you already screwed up.
If I have a large surplus of ammo and a person who I know is godly and honest needs some, I will trade. If I get a referral, I will not trade.
Trade must be done between good men to ensure they stay strong. But never ever trade something you absolutely need. So BLOAT if you can.
I was politely directing the issue to the conclusion mentioned in your first sentence.
Step by step til the light dawns.
;>)
Thanks for an interesting article! I hadn’t run across the wax load approach before.
Also, that was an interesting point from an earlier comment about exchanging birdshot for buckshot. I need to get set up for bullet and ball casting here soon. It occurs to me that the combination of .45 LC pistol, .45 LC rifle, and 45-70 rifle covers a whole lot of hunting situations with cast slugs, and is one of the least expensive ways to go. Really the 45-70 rifle is more of a luxury than a necessity (but fun!).
I’ve been pretty bemused by the continuing shortage of .22 LR and the high prices...
Hit youtube, plenty of wax slug experiments documented for posterity.
Crayons work great, the only problem is the slugs aren’t spin stabilized and start tumbling within a few tens of yards. Not a material problem, they hold together fine, rather a physics problem.
Pre cast slugs are pretty cheap and store well.
Be careful. 45 Colt is not the same diameter as 45-70. One is. 451 the other is .458
http://www.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun.html
Not sure if this is adjustable for higher caliber/velocity projectiles, but it is the be-all for airguns.
ive got a marlin lever in 45/70 - great gun - have taken many deer with that....my shoulder on the other hand does not like it so much......especially with the .425 grain...ouch
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