Posted on 05/23/2014 12:07:18 PM PDT by discipler
The Imperative to be Baptized shows its Necessity
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," Mt 28:19 [baptize the verb means be buried, immersed; verb does not mean sprinkle water; the person is baptized, not the water]
"For you are saved by grace through faith" Eph 2:8,9 [works are important, even necessary, but only by faith in God is one saved]
"‘Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’" Acts 22:16 [Therefore Saul was not saved on the road to Damascus or his sins would already have been washed away days before this. Baptism is urgent, as is seen here in the words of Ananias, because in baptism one is calling on the Lord for salvation]
"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," Rom 5:1 [works are important, even necessary, but only by faith in God is one saved]
"one Lord, one faith, one baptism," Eph 4:5 [the one baptism which Jesus commanded can be the one and only baptism of the church; Jesus said go make disciples and baptize them; every disciple of Jesus Christ in Ephesus would says, 'Yep, I received the one baptism down at the river']
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Rom 10:4
"26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." Gal. 3:26,27 [Paul told the Galatians it was through faith that they became God's children, and verse 27 explains, "for all of you who were baptized..." The Apostle showed that the immersion was tied to the being clothed with Christ and becoming God's sons and daughters.]
"But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness," Rom 4:5
"12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," Col. 2:12,13 [the immersion of baptism is a burial, a uniting with Christ in His burial, and in the same immersion, the sinner comes out alive, born again, because of His faith in God to raise Him. God does the saving; the water doesn't save, not the work either. God saves by His power. This is the point and moment in time where the lost sinner becomes the redeemed by God's grace.]
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish." John 3:16 [Do you believe in Jesus words? Do you believe He is Lord and Master? If Jesus told you to go jump in a lake, would you?]
Sincerely yours, Dan Mayfield
Thank you!
The “outward sign” people are deluded. And I am NOT a Catholic.
It shows the necessity of symbolizing the death, burial, and resurrrection to new life for the individual believer, as well as identifying with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection?
Or it shows the necessity of being required for salvation?
Which one to you?
“What must we do to be save?” was answered explicitly at Pentecost.
Your first choice is correct Biblically and in truth (reality)!
If it was answered explicity, then does the “promise” given to those there (and as many as be “afar off” ( which would be both location and time) - the “promise” of being baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues - also apply?
What is the Baptism of Jesus? Does the Spirit give life, or the Water?
Baptism is essential unto salvation. Why so many people want to leave out this necessary step is not only beyond belief, but its unscriptual.
You might as well forgo confession or repentance.
Where is the “evidence of speaking in tongues” ever tied to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost?
In Luke 24:49, Jesus said for His disciples to tarry in Jerusalem and that He was “going to send them what my Father has promised.”
Given that they were already believers, as a believer (to John MacArthur) is one who has put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ (and this was accomplished when they saw Jesus ascend into heaven) the only part remaining was for these believers to be baptized in the Holy Ghost.
MacArthur himself says in his study Bible that this baptism in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues was a separate distinct act for the believers.
Acts 2 even says that the Holy Ghost descended upon them and sat upon each of them in “cloven tongues of fire.”
Thief on the cross. End of debate.
Amen.
Jesus’ water baptism was followed by the Spirit descending upon Jesus in the form of a dove.
The Apostle Paul said in Romans 10:9-10 “That if thou shalt confess Jesus Christ as Lord AND shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
The thief on the cross: “LORD (he called Him Lord with his mouth), remember me when you come into your kingdom.” (The thief believed that Jesus would be raised from the dead (ultimately) and would come into His kingdom).
Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan, which I understand was never known to be a Rocky Mountain force or depth of water, even probable that the Jordan was barely over ankle deep, leading some theologians to speculate that Jesus may not have gone “down into the water”, (and thereby making by his presence the water Holy), in the manner we have assumed, with his full body, but rather only ankle deep and was poured upon.
The given is that the word “buriel”, in Baptism, relates wholly to being baptised into the death of Jesus, and nothing to do with the strict adherence to immersion alone.
The Greek word for baptism includes, also, a useage common for handwashing, actually, as in washing the hands before cooking.
I certainly don’t know, but was privy to a Christian radio program on this very subject.
Certainly it is indisputable that God does the great work in Baptism, not us. Because it is Him who does the work in Baptism, just as He did in infant circumcision which he commanded of His people, Israel, it is quite easy to accept infant Baptism to His people today.
It is confirmation in the faith that must come later with full knowledge. The Jews are still circumcised as infants, but have Bar Mitzvah at 12 years, I believe.
Since the thief on the cross who acknowledged Jesus was not baptized at the time of death, then I guess he wasn’t with Jesus in paradise then.
I don’t think in certain circumstances baptism itself is a necessary requirement for salvation, but since it is the expressed command of Christ that his apostles make disciples of all nations “baptizing them in the name of the father, son, and the holy Spirit”, Christ himself regards the process as necessary. If one has been saved, and truly saved one should have no qualms at all about being baptized as Christ was baptized.
Peter had been preaching to a group of gentiles when the Holy Spirit fell on them since they had all believed en mass, before they had all baptized with water. I note from the story that it was then when it was said...”look, no one can refuse them water to be baptized seeing that they are baptized with the spirit and speaking in tongues, ect”, so the whole group was then baptized with water. Just goes to show you...the Holy Spirit has his own schedule and it’s up to the baptizing preachers to keep up! :)
Acts10:…46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47”Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
Here is my point:
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Jesus will baptize EVERYONE - either with the Spirit or with the fire of judgment. We get to choose which baptism we receive...
“On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.”
“You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”
“While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.”
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”
Water baptism was well known to the Jews, as both a sign of repentance and as a sign of conversion. But it was also well known in Jewish thought that the water baptism was the outward sign of a changed heart, and a dedication to a new way of living, rather than the source of new life.
Oh, please.
(eye roll)
The Tooth Fairy. End of debate.
“Thief on the cross. End of debate”
Tell me which law (old or new) the thief was under?
Tell me again the verse that tells us the thief was not baptized?
Tell me again how a testament (The New one) came into effect before the death of the testator?
The “debate” has ended but not as you have supposed. The logic rest fully on the fact that the thief could not have been baptized in to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ when none of those things had occurred while he hung on a cross next to our LORD.
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