Obama CONFISCATES ALL APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTERS From The Governors of ALL 50 STATES

The militia is a complex issue, ma. I meant no disrespect.

The Militia Act of 1903 established the National Guard in each state, under direction of the governor. But that National Guard is, or becomes, somehow, part of the “National Guard of the United States” and is then considered part of the reserves which can be called into federal service by the President.

From what I can tell, the “regular” National Guard — Army and Air both — is nothing but federal reserves. The President can take them away from the governor when he wishes and I think that’s wrong unless the governor and/or legislature agrees.

But the law also describes the “unorganized” or “irregular” militia, which is all able-bodied men ages 17 to 45 plus veterans up to age 64. That’s us.

I agree with you. Armed citizens, by definition, are the militia. But federal law takes away the organized militia, the trained professionals, and makes them reservists for the regular Army and Air Force. That leaves us, the unorganized militia, looking very disorganized indeed.

Worse, our overlords don’t trust us. For proof, look at the terms used to describe the civilian peacekeepers who showed up at Bundy’s ranch.

DNME, that is my understanding as well and I believe you are right on the money. US National Guard units (Army National Guard, Air National Guard), while under the command of their respective states, can be federalized. And yes, the law specifically puts all you young whippersnappers and veterans into the unorganized militia:

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are -

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

States codify it further. Here in Virginia:

§ 44-75.1. Militia state active duty.

A. The Governor or his designee may call forth the militia or any part thereof to state active duty for service in any of the following circumstances:

1. In the event of invasion or insurrection or imminent threat of either;

2. When any combination of persons becomes so powerful as to obstruct the execution of laws in any part of this Commonwealth;

Etc etc. There is plenty of discussion over the extent to which state militias and defense forces are or are not part of the unorganized militia, but I stepped into legal waters way over my head several sentences ago, haha...

BTW, the Army needs to increase its Apache fleet because it is retiring its entire fleet of Kiowas and Kiowa Warriors. All of their recon / scout missions are supposed to be taken over by the Apaches and drones.

The thinking was that this would save money, since there would only be one type of aircraft and attendant sensors, powerplants, weapons etc to maintain. Which could be, but as skilled as Army Kiowa and Guard Apache pilots are, I do not think they can step right in to a totally different type of aircraft.

Moreover, as I understand it the cost of operating an Apache is substantially higher than that of a Kiowa. Plus there is the cost of preparing the Kiowas for “de-militarization” and disposal. There is a lot of discussion in the rotorcraft community to the effect that, while this sounds like a good idea on paper, it could end up costing DoD more than they were trying to save by making the move. Whatever!

Perhaps they will fly all of those Kiowas over to local law enforcement to go along with their MRAPs...

What do they plan on transporting?

Not active duty soldiers, obviously.

Where are the cost savings? There will remain still need for maintenance & training flight hours too, to keep the edge (of forward deployable forces) sharp enough.

What happens to the Apache pilots now in Guard units? Will they be replaced by active duty Army? That will eat into any savings, unless one plans on semi- mothballing large numbers of those AH aircraft.

As it could effect order of battle units, it seems to me to that sending Blackhawks to the Guard in trade, puts those Guard units nearer the tip of the spear also, but less swiftly accessible for immediate use, even as it would separate in-unit Army Air Guard cover for ground transported Guard units, if or when push comes to shove.

This shifting of force could result in having whichever AH pilots end up with those birds, flying further from their own friendly, boots-on-the-ground covering forces, facing strong possibility of those helicopters being extended further to the tip (of spear) but along increasingly slender shaft (of spear) and support.

Some recovering of co-ordination of deployed forces can be achieved thru the folding of whichever Guard units into Army Division-- but at some price as to lack of well-lubricated cohesion. Since that's been the order-of-the-day otherwise --- I'm still wondering just where the cost saving are in taking the Attack Helicopters from the Guard.

If the monetary savings are in regards to a drawing down of active duty Airmobile infantrymen numbers, with the Guard in some recovery fleshing out those numbers and being "cheaper to keep" than full-time active duty, at least on paper...and some up-front actual monetary costs, where then other than the "what" which stands to be most immediately transported are any real savings, and at what costs to deployable order of battle force?

Pushing units around on paper --- is one thing. War gaming, another. The real thing -- we better had get it right from the first stabs as "it", whatever those "it" may appear on near-future horizon to be, while standing ready enough for what most likely could appear.

Thirteen olive branches bearing thirteen olives in hand (right hand) dextrous. Thirteen ready arrows in the hand (left hand) sinister.

Don't let your right hand know so much what your left is doing? And vice-versa...

NG in recent history have routinely been called into domestic events involving law enforcement so.....

Yes...that too came to mind. The lines of separation are becoming more blurred, too.

Will the Fed attempt to take over the Guard-- to command directly State regulated "National Guard" for deployment against "civil disturbance"? Ah, disturbance. Will it be real --- or exaggerated/imagined -- with the recent action against Bundy in Nevada appearing as if the rulers that would be --sent armed Federal officers (and contractors) reportedly with orders to shoot people, also,setting up the law enforcement agents as their own agents above the law, while tempting citizens to seriously break the law --which would gin up further rebellion and violence.

The officers there didn't seem to be fully into shooting a bunch of mostly unarmed people. Yet...but then again there was a large audience and these people were not Branch Davidians, or lone gunsmith Randy Weaver.

Chose ye Governors, carefully. Make sure they are educated --and hold them to it.

For the last few days, there has been a person here on FR posting links to such as

2of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

I failed to give reply to the one who has been providing the links -- and owe apology, for I had intended to 'bump' at least -- but did not. There is only do or do not, lands on me right away...

The opening segment at an hour long, is well worth the time if one can spare it. Part 2 is 47:37 in length according to indication at youtube and drives even more home.

I'm not sure how far we can get as to States asserting their collective authorities -- in those situations where it is both called for and justified under the Articles of Confederation and the U.S. compact among States which is the U.S. Constitution.

If only more State Senators, representatives elected to U.S Congress, and U.S. Senators could understand much as Mr. Pratt does, as Pratt put it "gotten his mind around the issue of jurisdiction".

He's not only convincing, but I'm sure is very much correct, and do recall my own earthly father attempting to explain the same principles to me when I was quite young.

The States have duty to interpose. When the Federal government corrupts that through process of law including Supreme Court decision, then it's high time for the Congress of the United States to TELL the Executive and the Judiciary just what the original Compact and following Constitution is all about, while those representatives also join forces in exercising Nullification on State level, if need be.

It won't be easy...but what more powerful things in the Constitution do we have? Stare decisis can cut both ways, and if that be not enough -- we tell them just how the cow ate the cabbage.

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