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Government Agency: If 9 Substations Are Destroyed, The Power Grid Could Be Down For 18 Months
The Economic Collapse blog ^ | March 18, 2014 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 04/08/2014 1:24:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Former Proud Canadian

I pray that this happens. We could use a good urban-culling.


41 posted on 04/08/2014 8:20:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Well, there will absolutely be an "urban culling" at some point. It is inevitable. Either the host wakes up and somehow destroys the parasites or the host dies and so do the parasites.

The status quo is unsustainable.

42 posted on 04/08/2014 8:24:39 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It would probably be a good thing for the country in some ways. Some of the dead weight would be removed from the gene pool, elections would be quite different without the celebrity candidates’ ability to manipulate the media and the Internet, people wouldn’t waste all their time with computers and TV and instead might have to learn to farm or something useful.


43 posted on 04/08/2014 8:24:56 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Although I don't count the mom & pop convenience stores as "groceries" I agree with your points.

Perhaps it's a matter of semantics but the mom and pop stores I referred to offered a relatively full range of veggies, limited cuts of meat,eggs, milk, butter and bread as well as packaged goods. Called them mom and pop as they are family owned and not chain stores. Pretty much the grocery store type I grew up with before the advent of the Supermarket.

Green grocers, bakeries, butcher shops, and super deli's such as Zabar's or Dean and DeLuca augment the small grocery stores. But the key thing is very, very few urbanites have more than 2 days of food in their apartments, just not enough room for large fridges or pantries.

44 posted on 04/08/2014 8:25:01 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor
Very, very few of those kinds of stores in my town. Maybe one in a city of 250,000 plus and it is in one of the poorest areas. I am not sure if it is even still open. Go figure.

And, once again, I agree.

45 posted on 04/08/2014 8:27:21 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: joethedrummer
You really think that the Muslims need an obscure blog post to know that we are vulnerable to attack? Look at the DC Sniper case, which was world-wide news for weeks. Why hasn't there been a repeat of that? Two room-temperature IQ home-grown Muslims kept the nation's capitol in terror for a long time with just an AR-15 and an old jalopy as a firing platform. Anyone could replicate that anywhere.
46 posted on 04/08/2014 9:17:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I met a man who worked for the Department of Defense for many years and one of his areas of expertise was knowing how a solar flare or EMP attack could/would destroy our electronic systems in our major weapons and protecting them from those. The man said regarding the country’s electrical system the huge transformers going out could not be replaced for a very long time, many months. Yes, the country would be down for a very long time.


47 posted on 04/08/2014 9:34:24 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Is it true that we no longer manufacture large transformers in the USA, and import ALL large generators such as go into dam power output?


48 posted on 04/08/2014 9:46:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

Yes.


49 posted on 04/08/2014 10:23:16 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MHGinTN; JRandomFreeper

Here is the government report on Large Power Transformers (LPT). It gives the cost which will astound you, plus tell how long it takes to get one and tell you we are trying to start making them ourselves. Read page 6 and 7 for sure.

http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/Large%20Power%20Transformer%20Study%20-%20June%202012_0.pdf


50 posted on 04/08/2014 10:33:37 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


51 posted on 04/08/2014 10:52:48 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: Marcella

Thanks. That was a rather sobering read! Makes eighteen months sound like the extreme low end for re-up time.


52 posted on 04/08/2014 10:57:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: ansel12
I wonder how long it would be before we could get food and medicine and gasoline, and jobs, and money, again?

Well, I have seen estimates of a 90% mortality within the first year. The survivors probably wouldn't be capable of putting the full system back together nor could they properly control or protect the vast reaches of a depopulated America sans transportation, communication, and technology. Darkest Africa would be an improvement by comparison.

No doubt the Chinese and Russians would be happy to move in, carve the empty territories and vast natural resources up to their own liking, fix some of the infrastructure, and establish their own colonies without the original inhabitants - or their few pesky and poorly armed survivors.

But... let's talk about something more important - like a "fair wage" for women, "free" medical care, Gay "rights," and amnesty for tens of millions of uneducated and parasitic immigrants most of whom don't speak English or give a tinker's damn about the Constitution except how they can milk the system for a free pay check.

In other words, don't worry about the elephant in the room. Instead, concentrate on those little glittery things way over there in the other direction...

53 posted on 04/08/2014 11:06:28 AM PDT by Gritty (Gun controllers aren't afraid of guns but a country where the individual has power-Dan Greenfield)
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To: Gritty

I would like to see the farmers weigh in.

After 18 months of them just trying to stay alive, what would be the situation for them to start shipping out grains and vegetables and meat and eggs again.

Would that take an additional year or three years, 5 years, what would it look like with abandoned farms, abandoned supply and distribution systems, and trucking companies, deferred maintenance and little or no fuel or parts for trucks and farm equipment, no seed or fertilizers, no retailers in the cities, only farmer’s markets.

I wonder if the government has a plan to help defend large farms and ranches and such to keep the ability to restart, and replant, and to replace animals, from being totally used up?


54 posted on 04/08/2014 11:36:33 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thanks for the info.


55 posted on 04/08/2014 11:43:09 AM PDT by abclily
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To: spokeshave

“But...but...Obama old us about all those “infrastructure” and “shovel ready” jobs he had $Billions for.....”

Billions? I thought it was damn near a full Trillion! However, your point remains....


56 posted on 04/08/2014 12:42:59 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"How many substations would it take to shutdown electrical generation in the US?"

Taking out substations doesn't directly take out any generators. The big problem is that when the grid goes down, there can be no place to put the power. A nuclear plant has about 20 seconds to fire up diesel generators to run cooling pumps and to shut the plant down once it looses the grid. If not, it will overheat. That said, local plants can generate locally, grid or no grid. The grid balances power, it doesn't generate it. There certainly could be major disruptions. There are still enough ingenious people in this country that most wouldn't sit around and die, just because someone shot insulators off nine electrical substations.

57 posted on 04/08/2014 1:19:52 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (for)
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To: norwaypinesavage
The recent attack damaged 17 transformers (that had to be taken out of service) at one substation. That's hardly shooting some insulators.

How many substations will it take for people to start dying?

/johnny

58 posted on 04/08/2014 1:26:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Destroy nine interconnection substations and a transformer manufacturer and the entire United States grid would be down for at least 18 months, probably longer."

Reality check time. Note that the INTERCONNECTS go down. What do they do? they are points where those different regional grids transfer power between themselves as required. What would go down is the ability to transfer power. That doesn't mean the entire country LOSES power.

The regional grids will remain functional - however net consumer grids may experience power shortfalls because they cannot import additional power, while grids that are predominantly producers will see fewer problems.

BLUF - the national grid will be damaged - but that doesn't mean everyone will be without power - only the abilty to transfer power between grids. Sheesh.

59 posted on 04/08/2014 1:26:55 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a guarantee anyone outside the cities would be without power for much longer than 18 months.


60 posted on 04/08/2014 3:18:41 PM PDT by bgill
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