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FReeper Betty Jane Needs Gun Rights Advice
March 20, 2014 | FR's Betty Jane

Posted on 03/20/2014 8:18:52 AM PDT by kiryandil

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To: Betty Jane; BB62
FReeper BB62 writes:

Go to Open Carry .org and post the issue in the TN forum. You will more than likely get a quick response: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forum.php

21 posted on 03/20/2014 8:43:36 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

My #1 Son and I have an ongoing Go match. It’s the kind of game that will never end.

But my reason for choosing the screen name goes far beyond the vacuous pop culture reference of the novel.


22 posted on 03/20/2014 8:47:26 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
But my reason for choosing the screen name goes far beyond the vacuous pop culture reference of the novel.

Yeah, but it was still an entertaining read, and I learned something that I didn't know before.

:-)

I'll put this here for the others:

The Meaning of Shibumi

Shibumi is a Japanese word meaning refined simplicity, simple elegance and quiet perfection. It is a highly prized quality that few Americans and Europeans understand or appreciate. Shibumi has nothing to do with the flashy, decorative beauty admired in the west but refers to a clean, simple, restrained sense of distinction, refinement and taste. Shimbumi is strict, thrifty and without tournament. You can see shibumi in every facet of Japanese culture. It is reflected in the simplicity of Japanese art, calligraphy, rock gardens and modest décor of their homes.

23 posted on 03/20/2014 8:53:01 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Betty Jane
One most important point: DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING IN THAT MEETING!

If they give you any document, for example stating that you acknowledge that the carrying of an empty holster caused distress, take the document and say "I'm going to have my attorney look this over first", and put it in your pocket..

Second important point: starting now and for the next several weeks, do not have anything in your car, person, or backpack which could conceivably be called a weapon. No pocket knife, no pepper spray, no nothing. I would even park off campus and walk to campus, or have a friend drive me. Give no access to your vehicle which they could use to plant anything.

Third: if the school demands permission to search anything of yours (car, backpack, locker, whatever), say "I do not give consent to any search for any reason".

Fourth: Have a buddy outside the meeting place watching to see that you come out OK, and are not arrested at the meeting, and give instructions on what to do in that case.

24 posted on 03/20/2014 8:57:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: kiryandil

Thank you so much.


25 posted on 03/20/2014 8:57:16 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: kiryandil

It’s hard to be simple.


26 posted on 03/20/2014 8:57:51 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: kiryandil

Tell him to wear the holster to the meeting, loaded with copies of the Constitution, Second Amendment highlighted.


27 posted on 03/20/2014 9:01:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Betty Jane; kiryandil

Tell them wusses to talk to a Lawyer not the Student.

Pure INTIMIDATION BS!

Was the request verbal or in writing?

If writing was it deliver by a Process Server, a “Real LEO”, a fake one, certified/registered mail or what/who.

The dipsticks wanting the meeting are gonna lose.

We also need:

Name
Email
Phone #’s
Postal Address

For these wusses so that they can “become Educated”


28 posted on 03/20/2014 9:03:36 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Betty Jane
Thank us all later.

Right now, get your young man squared away before his meeting.

:-)

29 posted on 03/20/2014 9:05:59 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: mabarker1; et al

Thank you all for the suggestions. I will keep you updated.


30 posted on 03/20/2014 9:06:25 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: Betty Jane

Please do!


31 posted on 03/20/2014 9:10:08 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: JimRed

I LIKE!


32 posted on 03/20/2014 9:11:07 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Betty Jane

Maybe you should have asked more than an hour before the hearing, and then perhaps some freeper lawyer (like me) who lives an hour and half away might have volunteered to help for lunch and gas money. Then again, maybe not as wearing an empty holster is a pointless gesture intended to provoke rather than as a legitimate exercise of rights.


33 posted on 03/20/2014 9:12:28 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: shibumi
It’s hard to be simple.

I dunno, some folks seem like naturals.

34 posted on 03/20/2014 9:17:57 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PapaBear3625

OUTSTANDING advice!


35 posted on 03/20/2014 9:19:28 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: PapaBear3625

Nice post, PapaBear.


36 posted on 03/20/2014 9:25:41 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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Take control of the dialog.

The first statement should be;

“This is a demonstration of my FIRST amendment right.”

“Surely your not against my right to freely express myself”


37 posted on 03/20/2014 9:26:35 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: jdub
There's still almost an hour and half to get there. I posted as soon as I found out.
38 posted on 03/20/2014 9:35:04 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: kiryandil
I wish I had more time before seeing this. I am not licensed in Tennesse. That said I recommend

1. Reread any codes of conduct. Don't violate it.
2. Don't sign anything before running it by an attorney.
3. Be respectful. Running the mouth causes bad consequences.
4. Do not consent to any search.

39 posted on 03/20/2014 9:35:59 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: kiryandil
The thing to remember is that the college admins are not necessarily going to be interested in reasonableness or justice (perhaps they are, but assume nothing). Operate on the assumption that they want to get you, and keep in mind what happened with the EMT student in Ohio, who got railroaded over being a self-defense advocate.

The "empty holster" thing was a First Amendment statement, but could be taken as an attempt to intimidate ("I own a gun. I didn't bring it TODAY.").

Explain the symbolism as part of an advocacy for concealed carry rights, so they understand what he was trying to communicate.

40 posted on 03/20/2014 9:36:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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