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Josh Lang's Photos of the Fuddy Crash Are Not the Same Plane
Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | 2-23-14 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 02/23/2014 3:09:07 PM PST by butterdezillion

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To: Fred Nerks

As far down as the plane is in that image with Fuddy by the door, there would be no way the door would have closed before submerging, IMHO. The upward pressure of the water would have held it upon right up to the very end.


61 posted on 02/23/2014 3:58:54 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: humblegunner

You sound just like the folks on MSNBC...if it doesn’t look good for Obama...its “Conspiracy Theory”...


62 posted on 02/23/2014 3:59:01 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Diversity is just racism against white folks)
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To: humblegunner

So, you, the madness artist strikes again. You are such a droll troll.


63 posted on 02/23/2014 3:59:15 PM PST by charlie72
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To: butterdezillion; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
David copperfield makes an airplane disappear...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

64 posted on 02/23/2014 4:00:53 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: butterdezillion

held it OPEN right to the very end.


65 posted on 02/23/2014 4:01:04 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion

All I am doing is trying to show the same images from different angles. That door appears to be open way up high in one shot, because the photograph is being taken from below, where-as, as the plane sinks, and Yamamoto and Fuddy are in front of the door, it's not nearly as wide open. It's all a matter of angles, imo.

66 posted on 02/23/2014 4:03:38 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: butterdezillion

This conspiracy "research" of yours? Just stop it.

67 posted on 02/23/2014 4:04:56 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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ANGLES

68 posted on 02/23/2014 4:05:19 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: butterdezillion

Window on the left, open door in the middle, two windows now submerged.

69 posted on 02/23/2014 4:08:30 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: butterdezillion

There is a window. Look on the roof of the Plane in the first photo, you can clearly see the shadow of the open hatch/door cast complete with window upon the roof of the plane.

Now, find the origin of the shadow ... where it meets the door. See how you are looking at the open edge of the door? That makes it look like the last window between the door and the tail look like a door, when in fact it is a window.


70 posted on 02/23/2014 4:08:43 PM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: Fred Nerks

71 posted on 02/23/2014 4:09:16 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Kirkwood; svcw; butterdezillion
I don't believe Cessna had variants of this Caravan model that without serious aftermarket remodeling could account for a different version of the aircraft, one of which didn't have a window aft of the door.

I believe the pix are of the same plane. In the Lang photo, the upper portion of the open door (in the same position as in the Puentes video) appears as the line that is apparently above the rearmost window. The window seen in Jason's photo is the same distance rearward as the Puentes images, when compared to the top-fuselage antenna (?) that's just ahead of the tailfin's most-forward attachment area (game, set, match).

The N-number positioning appears the same for both the larger fuselage (same paint-colors) and tail version, "svcw's GA husband."

Getting rid of my other thoughts:
- An NTSB preliminary report should have info on passengers. I don't think an NTSB person would stand still for such information going missing.
- The engine manufacturer would be "all-over" getting a tear-down of the engine for liability and future Airworthiness Directive data. If the failure was genuine and not "helped along", there are people that can figure that out.
- That the plane was so badly, purposefully (?) mangled is an issue. Why? To hide a non-failure? To hide recovery negligence? I'm confident the plane could have been brought up using floatation devices without damage.
- With the plane going down so shortly after take-off, the pilot must have been familiar with the waters where he brought it down. It would be conceivable that, were he "in on bring it down", he could've placed it where there was one or more divers. Alternately, the pilot could've brought it down onto a pre-arranged GPS waypoint. Such a waypoint might still have been accessible from the recovery of an "un-mangled" Caravan GPS receiver.
- Other Jason's images, being top down into the clear blue sea, might have more-readily picked up on any diver silhouettes below the surface. - Why can't photo extractions from unpixelated, original video be shared as freely as the ones shared thus far?
- Has Ferdinand Puentes ever been a beneficiary of the Bishop Trust or Kamehameah School system?
- Interesting that the "spiraling into the ocean" GMA info-babe comes out with "Fernidand."

HF

72 posted on 02/23/2014 4:10:17 PM PST by holden
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To: SeminoleCounty

Are you so desperate for hope that you must grasp for this thinnest of fantasies?

Nut Up, man! There are real enemies, let the fantasies wait.


73 posted on 02/23/2014 4:11:30 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: holden

Oops. Jason = Josh Lang.


74 posted on 02/23/2014 4:16:39 PM PST by holden
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To: 1rudeboy

Why do you think that Fuddy was murdered?


75 posted on 02/23/2014 4:18:18 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: holden
Oops. Jason = Josh Lang.

AH HA! False flag, mis-information! You are obviously part of the conspiracy! ;)

76 posted on 02/23/2014 4:18:20 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: humblegunner

you okay, missy?


77 posted on 02/23/2014 4:20:59 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: WildHighlander57
(sorry for the size of this pic)

The dark streak being pointed at by the arrow is the bottom edge of the open door.


             

78 posted on 02/23/2014 4:21:14 PM PST by tomkat ( a million tiny cuts per day .. make one)
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To: Brown Deer
I don't think Fuddy was murdered. I'll entertain the possibility, but I require more evidence than "someone took a picture of the wrong airplane," if that is even the case.
79 posted on 02/23/2014 4:21:51 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Fred Nerks
In that image you posted the back window is already down into the water. And Fuddy is by the door: In Lang's image, if the black line above the window/door-ish area is the door sticking straight up into the air, (I'll post the image below this so everybody can see what I'm saying), then the back window in Lang's photo is just getting ready to go into the water since we can still see the lower sash of the window/door/whatever. IOW, Lang's photo would have to have been taken immediately before this one. If so, then where are all the people in Lang's photo?
80 posted on 02/23/2014 4:22:30 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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