Josh Lang's Photos of the Fuddy Crash Are Not the Same Plane

Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | 2-23-14 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

The photos of the Loretta Fuddy Cessna crash that Josh Lang provided to the media? They weren't of the same plane. The plane that crashed with Fuddy in it had a window between the door and the tail; Lang's photos don't. (I've got photos at my blog and in the first post I'll post them so you can compare the 2 planes)

Lang apparently had photos of a DIFFERENT plane ditching in the water and gave them to the media, claiming they were of this crash, and apparently the media didn't check out the genuineness of the photos...

Now why would Lang do that? Why would he post images of the area with no passengers or anything else in the water ANYWHERE, rather than taking photos of what was actually there and giving those to the media?

[WildHighlander57]

Excellent observation!

Where IS everyone????

When did Lang spot the downed plane?

[1rudeboy]

Cool graphic, proving nothing.

[tomkat]

Fred, all you need to do is zoom in on the arrow pic and, even with pixelation, the forward side edge of the door is clearly visible,
not to mention it's associated shadow across the top of the plane which appears to be in proper geometric orientation.

The dark area that you're seeing SW of the arrowed line (door bottom) is in fact the starboard aft window.

[butterdezillion]

Yeah, I see what you’re saying, which is how I see it too. But I’m trying to figure out how these images could be the same event. There are 2 images:

Image 1: the tops of the 2 windows right behind the wing are submerged and the bottom of the back window has just gone into the water.....and there are people all over the place....

Image 2: the tops of the 2 windows right behind the wing are just starting to submerge and the back window is just getting ready to go into the water. And there are no people around within maybe double the wing’s length of the cabin.

Who knows which image would come first, because the front of the plane sank faster than the back, but these 2 images would have had to be taken in close proximity of each other. The passengers drifted FARTHER out to sea - farther into the sunlight, or farther away from Lang’s vantage point so if they had let go the plane they would have drifted into Lang’s field of view, not into the area under his wing. Yet there’s nobody, anywhere.

How can that be?

[Uncle Chip]

How can that be?

Because they are taken by different people at different times at different angles from different locations but of the same plane.

[Fred Nerks]

...Where are the people sitting on the wing? Where are Fuddy and Yamamoto? Where is ANYBODY?

I've looked through my entire collection of images from that event, and can't answer that question. The helicopter pilot says he flew around the survivors after he spotted the aircraft in the water, to let them know someone was watching...I suppose it all depends how long it took the aircraft to sink even half-way...there was wind, inflated lifejackets act like sails, the survivors who were holding onto the wing would have let go once the wing was submerging.

There's one shot of a rescue helicopter hovering over the scene where the flares are visible on the surface. I can only see one item that might be a person in a jacket:

And on second look, that could be the flare itself.

[B4Ranch]

Where your red arrow is pointing is the top of the door when it is extended. If you follow thr shadow back across the roof of the fuselage, you can seen the door window. Follow it all the way to the side of the fuselage and that is where the door connects to the fuselage.

These picture are of different aircraft -- for example only.

[Political Junkie Too]

Take another look at the photo in #21. The shadow of the open door is being cast onto the fuselage of the plane. You can see the open window in the shadow. You can even see the edge-on open window by following the shadow back to the source.

The other shadow on the left wing is cast by the rudder.

-PJ

[bolobaby]

Window is there, plane as day - pun intended.

Nice try but epic conspiracy fail.

[Fred Nerks]

...At the present time my interest is concentrated on Fuddy’s and Obama’s mother being joined to an Indonesian cult called Subud. The cult leader, now dead,looked very much like Obama, at least one person I showed a photo to thought it was Obama.

You're going to have a hard time of it, at any one time, any of the four below have been identified on various threads as the father...

I'm assuming you know who they all are?

[little jeremiah]

Myth clinging. Sort of like a grown up believing in Santa Claus.

[butterdezillion]

Which means they can be the same planes. Whether they are or not depends on the ID number on the tail of the plane.

But my next question - the one I was trying to get a handle on when the planes looked different to me - is where are all the people? In Puentes’ video they were sitting on the wing of the plane pointing to Lang’s plane coming into view, all looking that direction.

Hmm. You know what though? They were pointing the other direction, toward the tail of the plane. Hm. Lang’s plane approached from the other direction, according to his photos getting nearer and nearer.

Anyway, where did all the people go in the meantime? The wings are just beginning to go under in Lang’s photos, yet even when the tail was still sticking up out of the water in the background of Puentes’ photos the people had not drifted that far away from the plane.

[Nifster]

Well sweetie you seem to be looking at something completely different. Are you sure read the captioning correctly

[Greenperson]

I’ve always thought the same thing, from the very first time we saw the film taken by Josh, flying over the wreckage: Where is everybody?

NO people. NO debris. Nothing. I always thought that the still shot of that plane, taken by Josh (with no people in sight), looks like a LARGER plane than the one we see Fuddy exiting. Not a lot bigger, but bigger.

[butterdezillion]

Are you saying that photos capable of seeing the shadow of the open door wouldn’t be able to catch 9 people in yellow life jackets sitting on top of the wing looking at the airplane?

Are you saying those 9 people are really there in Lang’s photos, we just can’t see any of them?

[rodguy911]

Yeah, refusing to buy into crazed conspiracy crap equals support for Obama.

The problem is more that you are so rigid and not open minded enough to even let the story play out. For some reason you are unable to deal with an evolving situation where there is no firm conclusion yet.

Try and let things happen and then raise your question rather than in the middle of the evolution of a valid story.

That is unless you trust everything the driveby media tells you. If that's the case go back in the corner and put the dunce cap back on.

[Fred Nerks]

Images of aicraft with open doors not withstanding, what I see is THREE WINDOWS AND A DOOR. And the only way that's not the same aircraft is if TWO of them landed in the water and the passengers were whisked away. I'm leaving it to you to sort out. I've got nothing more to offer.

[Fred Nerks]

The above isn't an image taken by a helicopter pilot, there's a wing of an aircraft visible on the right.

[B4Ranch]

Do you see the window in the open door? If that door is open and you are above it, you won’t see the window. If you stand in front of a car headlight you cannor see the windows that are on that side of the car. Same thing here.

[norwaypinesavage]

I have studied Lang's photo for about ten minutes, and I still don't understand the shadows. I see a shadow from the open upward door next to a shadow of some kind of dome on the top of the airplane. However, there is another dimmer shadow over much of the top of the fuselage that seems to be from the edge of the tail nearly directly lined up horizontally with the direction of the sun. There is also a shadow on the top of the left wing which seems to be from the rear stabilizer fin and it is nearly directly lined up vertically with the sun. This double alignment is an odd coincidence, but not impossible.

What I don't understand is the dark shadow of the dome lying inside the dimmer shadow of the tail. Unless there two sources of light, it is not possible to have both a dim shadow and a dark shadow at the same time in the same place.