Posted on 02/20/2014 7:15:10 AM PST by marktwain
| Senator Lee Bright, Sponsor of the Constitutional Carry Bill |
"You can carry a weapon openly if this bill is adopted and I'm offended by that," said committee chair Sen. Larry Martin (R-Pickens).South Carolina is one of only six states that ban the open carry of holstered handguns. It is likely that the number will soon be reduced to five. Both of the likely candidates for Texas governor have said that they are in favor of restoring legal open carry.
"Many thanks to Rachel Maddow and MSNBC for [inadvertently] spreading the word about my Constitutional Carry bill! I'm proud to have the terrific support of Governor Haley in this effort."Senator Bright raffled off an AR-15 rifle as part of his campaign.
like I said before, I am not a fan of open carry, I carry when I can in my blue state...Concealed. I do carry openly off road. I don’t oppose it, just not a fan of it myself.
But this guy?
he is one rugged looking Alfred E Newman, is he not?
looks like he would be offended by pickup trucks and gutting a deer, beside being offended by open carry...or is the word AFRAID, and not offended...
He looks just like he talks. A loser.
IMHO, open carry negates the tactical advantage of surprise. It also marks one as the first target. I too, prefer CC.
“You can carry a weapon openly if this bill is adopted and I’m offended by that,”
So I’m supposed to base my actions and beliefs on what offends you? Right. Rot, scum.
Me too. Usually I carry concealed, but there are some events when I open carry.
NRA or TEA party events.
I usually gun shop at ACE in Washington, PA and I don't enter there without open carrying {don't want to be the only one nekked}. It is the safest store in PA, every one has at least one in the open.
When my wife comes with me she is un-armed but not many visitors are.
Zimmerman was carrying concealed when a confrontation resulted in the death of Martin.
Reeves was carrying concealed when a confrontation resulted in the death of Oulsen.
Twice in a two year period Andres Vegas, while delivering pizzas in Milwaukee, used his concealed handgun to shoot armed robbers.
Could you supply a brief list of the open carry confrontations that concern you? Other than confrontations with cops infringing the right, I don't recall any significant instances of open carry resulting in confrontations.
The reasons for concealed are valid, no question.
The choice belongs to us as opposed to some pencil-necked tool that’s getting a gubmint check.
The Second Amendment is very clear and plain in it’s simplicity for a very good reason.
I guess Sen. Martin doesn’t like his job all that much...
2-3 examples is not a study. In a nation of 300 million it is not even a footnote. To use your technique. Could you supply a comprehensive study showing the benefit of open carry?
I’d rather carry concealed than be made a target by some crackhead who wants that pretty piece hanging down my leg, that he can sell for more crack or use to rob for more crack. And when he acts it will be an ambush to keep me from going for the hog leg.
Like I said before I have carried open. Off road and in the woods. I don’t advertise in town.
But I have no problem if you do
I agree with you all the way. Open carry isn’t a great idea and if it were to pass I will still carry concealed. Open carry, I think, makes you the first target.
I take care in concealing my gun with the clothing I wear and a wide array of different holsters to make sure that my Bersa can’t be seen. I don’t advertise that I carry in public, I don’t brag that I’m armed. I prefer that it is my little secret.
I wasn't asking you for a study. You claimed an increase in confrontations with open carry and I'm not aware of ANY evidence, let alone a study, which supports that claim.
I understand your preference. I would certainly never support doing away with concealed carry and I am particularly frustrated with claims that our Founders would be so ignorant as to have failed to mention concealed bearing of arms as something that the government could control or eliminate if they so desired.
It's perhaps fortunate for us that people today share your approach and put the government in the position of having to support a mode of carry which was looked down upon in our nation's early days. Such a prejudice is helpful to restoring our right.
Do you view the open carry of long arms the same way?
I wouldn’t carry open in a busy location. I do not have a problem with those that do. (Unless they openly brandish in an unsafe manner)
What makes you think that the founders looked down upon concealed carry?
I grew up in NYC and moved to the burbs at age 15. I got a hunting license at 16 and would sling a 32” barreled mossberg goose gun as I walked through the housing development till I got to the wood lot and field around a mile away. No one ever bothered me cops would occasionally see me and sometimes wave. Had I walked into a jewelry store I am sure I would have gotten negative attention and that goes for any of the stores in the local strip malls. I once picket up 2 brothers (I was around 18) at their home in a garden apt. I parked out front with 2 other friends and the car was bristling with shotguns. I had a pair of binoculars and as I waited I glassed the bank down the block mostly to watch the rear ends in tight skirts enter the bank. Diagonally across the street was the local PD. All of a sudden 3 unmarked cars surrounded us and we were yanked and out spred eagle against the car. " Going skeet shooting " I yelled. "Look in the trunk". As I said that the 2 brothers exited the apt building each with broke open shotguns draped over their forearms. The cops checked the trunk and found boxes of bird shot a trius trap thrower and a case or so of clay birds.
It seemed it wasn't so much the guns that alarmed the cops. It was my glassing the bank with the long guns in the car that got the cops riled.
We were sent on our way. The cops were disappointed, I believe.
That was 1967 Long Island NY. I do not know what the response would be today......I don't know how I would feel if I saw a guy heading out of his car with a long gun resting on his shoulder and heading toward Home Depot. Probably think he had a bone to pick with someone there. I would think a hogleg hanging from a belt would be less threatening if the law allowed it. It depends on the situation.
I was specifically excluding them from those early in our nation's history who considered the carrying of concealed arms the act of a criminal attempting to hide his intentions. Concealable arms were of less utility then than long arms and were less common.
Several early state constitutions explicitly permitted the state government to control concealed carry.
The following is from the constitution of North Carolina in 1789:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty. they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice."
The encouraging Peruta decision last week from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals relied on Kalifornia's recently outlawing of open carry to find that the state's concealed carry law must include self-defense as a "good cause" for being granted a concealed carry permit. Without the legislature's "preference" for concealed carry implied by outlawing open carry, the judges would not have been able to decide the case the way they did.
I do. You would be dead. Just like the thirteen-year-old boy carrying a toy AK who was shot dead by cops in Kalifornia and a young man in Georgia who was shot dead by a policewoman when he answered the door at his home while holding a video game controller.
We have transitioned from a time when deadly force was justified by a threat of harm to the point now where simply the ability to harm is justification for the use of deadly force.
If i am up by my hunting camp I have gone into the country store toting just about anything and back 25 years and no one would have blinked. Now a days that might no longer be true. Crime followed cable TV and MTV. A house in the woods 25 years ago was just that. Now it is a possible Meth Lab. Things have changed for the worst all over the country. It’s not just honkeyTonks that are a problem. Not an defender of bad cop behavior but can see how they enter each home entering situation with trepidation. Now if they would just stop shooting people (and their dogs) at a moments notice.
I don’t know the full answer to any of this. I own and carry various arms. I certainly feel it is my right to do so. I have also seen idiots handling firearms dangerously and don’t feel they should be able to handle them in the manner that they do.
This all might come to a head shortly what with the poser in the White Hut. I will wait and see.
Any thing but Constitutional Carry is repugnant to the Constitution and null and void or a declaration of war.
They create deadly situations sometimes by entering homes when no such entry is justified. They should never be allowed to enter a home without warning unless they can prove that no innocent people are within the home. You cannot provide such proof when you are attacking the wrong home, for example.
I would bet that in virtually every case in which the cops raid the wrong home, a simple records search to identify innocent residents would have revealed the mistake with little extra effort.
It makes me ill to consider the degree to which our rights have been eroded by the War on Some Drugs. I don't really care whether or not consenting adults destroy themselves with chemicals that would cost pennies to supply legally. I would prefer that to the corruption we face now.
I’m too conservative to be a libertarian and too libertarian to be conservative.
I’ve seen lives destroyed by drugs. I don’t buy the while libertarian legalize drug thing sorry, you lost me.
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