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To: BurningOak

The North government policies was more anti-Black than the South.

The South mandated equal pay for all soldiers, Black and White alike.

The North paid Black soldiers $10/mo minus a $3/mo clothing fee, while Whites weren’t charged a clothing fee and were salaried at $13/mo, effecting about a 46% pay cut for Blacks in the North.

The Confederacy had already outlawed overseas slave trade by 1863 and allowed individual states to outlaw slavery.

Union states still had legalized slavery at least 3 years after the War in Missouri, Maryland, Delaware and Kentucky.

The South wasn’t without racism as declared in his “Cornerstone Speech”. Vice President Alexander Stephens, declared that the “cornerstone” of the new government “rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

It should also be noted that the Emancipation Proclamation failed to remove Indentured Servitude as a legitimate form of slavery for whites.

Historians of the period noted the White indentured servers were frequently maltreated to the point of death, whereas Black slaves were well provided because they were a longer term investment. The indentured servitude might only last 3-10 years, whereas the slave was considered property of his owner to be properly cared for as human livestock.

White slavery and indentured servitude far exceeded Black slavery in North America through about mid 1600s, and by 1700, about 45% of immigrants were indentured servants, with white slaves and indentured servants numbering about the same and Black slaves in N America. (S America and Latin speaking areas were much more heavily Black slave numbered than the N American English areas)

While both the British Empire abolished slavery and the US abolished imprisonment for indebtedness in 1833, they still lingered until about 1917 in various forms and not really internationally outlawed until 1947 by the UN.

Involuntary servitude and slavery were outlawed in the US in 2000 by the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, as well as peonage (which also had been outlawed in the US after the Civil War).


259 posted on 01/21/2014 9:19:38 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

The North government policies were more anti-Black than the South.


260 posted on 01/21/2014 9:24:44 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
The North government policies was more anti-Black than the South.

Incorrect.

The South mandated equal pay for all soldiers, Black and White alike.

Citation please

The North paid Black soldiers $10/mo minus a $3/mo clothing fee, while Whites weren’t charged a clothing fee and were salaried at $13/mo, effecting about a 46% pay cut for Blacks in the North.

Citation please

The Confederacy had already outlawed overseas slave trade by 1863 and allowed individual states to outlaw slavery.

There's nothing in the cornfederate constitution that spoke to allowing individual states to outlaw slavery. To the contrary, there was explicit verbiage that prevented any individual state from interfering in the practice by any other state:

Article IV Section 2(1) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
Union states still had legalized slavery at least 3 years after the War in Missouri, Maryland, Delaware and Kentucky.

Not true. The Thirteenth Amendment was adopted on December 6, 1865

The South wasn’t without racism as declared in his “Cornerstone Speech”. Vice President Alexander Stephens, declared that the “cornerstone” of the new government “rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

OK

It should also be noted that the Emancipation Proclamation failed to remove Indentured Servitude as a legitimate form of slavery for whites.

That's because it didn't have the power to do so.

Historians of the period noted the White indentured servers were frequently maltreated to the point of death, whereas Black slaves were well provided because they were a longer term investment. The indentured servitude might only last 3-10 years, whereas the slave was considered property of his owner to be properly cared for as human livestock.

Irrelevant

White slavery and indentured servitude far exceeded Black slavery in North America through about mid 1600s, and by 1700, about 45% of immigrants were indentured servants, with white slaves and indentured servants numbering about the same and Black slaves in N America. (S America and Latin speaking areas were much more heavily Black slave numbered than the N American English areas)

I doubt it but nonetheless irrelevant

282 posted on 01/21/2014 11:28:11 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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