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The Terrible Truth About Abraham Lincoln and the Confederate War
Snap Out of it, America! ^ | 1/20/14 | Michael Hutcheson

Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson

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To: Blood of Tyrants
The North provoked the attack. Look it up if you dare to challenge your ignorance.

The north didn't have a right to protect river inlets? Sumter was an island built by the Federal Government. There was no island there until it was built.

81 posted on 01/20/2014 2:31:42 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

No the South was not without fault, but this article dispenses with the whole idea that Lincoln was some saintly super president. He was a ruthless tyrant who got what he deserved in the end.


82 posted on 01/20/2014 2:31:44 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: mhutcheson

Lincoln is our Chairman Mao, and he is held in the same reverence by the brainwashed.


83 posted on 01/20/2014 2:33:57 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: ClearCase_guy

The US Treasury and Congressional Borrowing in 1859

In preparation for the President’s state of the union report, Howell Cobb (of Georgia), the Secretary of the Treasury (Buchanan Administration), reported to Congress that based on projected spending, there would be dramatic increases in the debt of the government.

In his state of the Union report of December 5, 1859, President Buchanan’s Secretary of the United States Treasury issued his report stating that for fiscal year 1859, the total revenue of the US Treasury was $88,090,787. This was misleading, because $28,185,000 was ‘income’ from government borrowing. The actual total revenue from tariffs, and sale of public lands was $53,486,000. Tariff revenue contributed 92% of the total revenue of the country.

But the Congress spent $69,071,000, which was 29% more than it took in.

“I regret, as much as any member, the unavoidable weight and duration of the burdens to be imposed; having never been a proselyte to the doctrine, that public debts are public benefits. I consider them, on the contrary, as evils which ought to be removed as fast as honor and justice will permit.” —James Madison

The value of total US exports for the year was $278,392,000. The value of the exports grown or produced in the South was 74% of the total.

In order to understand the contribution of Southern agriculture to the trade, and thus tariff and taxation structure of the entire country, the following chart shows the percentage of the total value of exports contributed by the South for the year of 1859:

U. S. Department of Commerce
International Transactions and Foreign Commerce
Agricultural Production of the South
Yearly Detail 1859

Value of : Cotton $161,434,000
Tobacco 21,074,000
Rice 2,207,000

Naval stores 3,694,000
Sugar 196,000
Molasses 75,699
Hemp 9,227
Other 8,108,000
___________
Total $196,797,926

Value of Southern manufactured 4,989,000
Cotton exports
Value of cotton component of Northern 3,669,000
Manufactured cotton exports (60%) ___________
$205,455,926
Percentage of Southern Production to
the total US exports for 1859 of
$278,392,000. 74%


84 posted on 01/20/2014 2:35:18 PM PST by PeaRidge
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To: Sir Napsalot

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85 posted on 01/20/2014 2:35:29 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"He was a ruthless tyrant who got what he deserved in the end."

He certainly didn't care for the constitutional restraints placed upon his office. That's the real reason why the left has always held him up as a shining beacon. These days, you seldom hear much about George Washington himself -- but Lincoln always gets his crown polished.

86 posted on 01/20/2014 2:35:35 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: vetvetdoug
Lincoln’s dishonesty toward reinforcing Sumter was the start. Major Anderson was being provided food and sustenance by Beauregard. There were no casualties inflicted by the bombardment of Sumter. The casualties occurred when one of Major Anderson’s cannon blew up as they were firing an honorary salute to the Confederates after the fort was surrendered. Anderson’s men were tended to and fed well since the North didn’t take care of them. Lincoln manipulated and forced the South’s hand as they had turned over dozens of installations in the South without nary a peep. Sumter was in the South. Any historian can tell you the facts about Sumter.

lol So the South wasn't looking to hurt anyone with all those hours of shells raining down, and we should have just laughed it off. Incredible.

87 posted on 01/20/2014 2:35:38 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Yes, I am from Kansas, and Quantrill's Raiders from Missouri crossed the border and attacked “Free Soil” Kansans in order to scare other anti-slavery voters from moving to Kansas.
The Kansas-Nebraska Act had everything to do with the Civil War.
The South could not stand it that their bloody terrorist war against the anti-slavery forces had failed.
88 posted on 01/20/2014 2:37:21 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: PeaRidge

The south wasn’t levied or taxed, foreign goods were.


89 posted on 01/20/2014 2:37:37 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: qam1
What a better world this would be if the south would have picked their own dam cotton!

Germ Theory hadn't been discovered yet. Therefore, what a better world this would be if mosquitos never existed! Had not the South been - and is - the playground of the bloodsuckers, anybody could have come over to help with the cotton and sugar cane. The older societies would not yield their population.

What we have to be thankful for is that the Black Plague never made it to our shores in times of slavery. It could have, 200 years after its outbreak, but it didn't. I guess fleas didn't survive the Atlantic Crossing.

90 posted on 01/20/2014 2:38:42 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Kansas58; All

“Further information: see Bleeding Kansas and Missouri in the American Civil War

The Missouri-Kansas border area was fertile ground for the outbreak of guerrilla warfare when the Civil War erupted in 1861. Historian Albert Castel wrote:

For over six years, ever since Kansas was opened up as a territory by Stephen A. Douglas’ Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, its prairies had been the stage for an almost incessant series of political conventions, raids, massacres, pitched battles, and atrocities, all part of a fierce conflict between the Free State and proslavery forces that had come to Kansas to settle and to battle.[1]

In February 1861 Missouri voters elected delegates to a statewide convention, which rejected secession by a vote of 89-1. Unionists, led by regular US army commander Nathaniel Lyon and Frank Blair of the politically powerful Blair family, and increasingly pro-secessionist forces, led by governor Claiborne Jackson and future Confederate general Sterling Price, contested for the political and military control of the state. By June, there was open warfare between Union forces and troops supporting the Confederacy. Guerrilla warfare immediately erupted throughout the state and intensified in August after the Union defeat at the Battle of Wilson’s Creek.[2]

By August 1862, with the Union victory at the Battle of Pea Ridge, the state was free of significant regular Confederate troops but the violence in Missouri continued. One historical work describes the situation in the state after Wilson’s Creek:

Unlike other border areas in Maryland and Kentucky, local conflicts, bushwacking, sniping, and guerilla fighting marked this period of Missouri history. “When regular troops were absent, the improvised war often assumed a deadly guerrilla nature as local citizens took up arms spontaneously against their neighbors. This was a war of stealth and raid without a front, without formal organization, and with almost no division between the civilian and the warrior.”[3]

The most notorious of these guerrilla forces was led by William Clarke Quantrill.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantrill%27s_Raiders


91 posted on 01/20/2014 2:38:50 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Blood of Tyrants
He was a ruthless tyrant who got what he deserved in the end.

Did the plantation owners get what they deserved in the end? Were they "tyrants"?

92 posted on 01/20/2014 2:39:06 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: mhutcheson; All
The Tariff Issue in 1860

There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” -—James Madison

By 1828, the North had become more and more industrialized, leaving its agricultural roots taking the role of a great producer of products and goods. The South maintained its agrarian roots, growing much of the nation’s food as well as exporting a tremendous amount of agricultural products to Europe. As the North grew in factories and production, more people moved to the North. Meanwhile, the voting base in the South did not grow. When the North picked up increasingly more votes in Congress due to the population growth, it was in a position to assert its will. Unfortunately, it started to wield its power unjustly.

The greatest manifestation of this was the Tariff of 1828.

Many European goods were still much less expensive than the same goods from the North. In 1828, Congress, against the will of the Southern minority, imposed a tax on many European goods so that those goods would now be more expensive and U.S. citizens would then have to purchase the more expensive goods from the North. This meant Europe sold much less of their products to the U.S. and had much less money to purchase agricultural products from the South. Worse yet, Southerners also had to pay more for the goods they needed to farm and to live, so their cost of agricultural production went up.

This artificially drove up the cost of Southern agricultural products. Because Europe was the number one market for Southern agricultural goods, the South suddenly lost its market for its products. Therefore, the new tariffs made the North artificially wealthy and financially damaged the South . The citizens of the agricultural South were injured by this unequal treatment, despite prohibitions against this condition by the Constitution. They later expressed this treatment in secession decrees

South Carolinian John C. Calhoun’s reaction to the Tariff of Abominations was immediate. He became an Anti-Federalist and wrote the South Carolina Exposition and Protest. In this protest, Calhoun stated that if the Tariff of 1828 was not repealed, SC would secede.

More importantly he introduced his Doctrine of Nullification, the basis of which came from the states’ rights arguments of famous Anti-Federalists James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Calhoun argued that the several states were not bound to stay under the Federal government if their rights were trampled under the U.S. Constitution. In other words, a state always had the right to nullify any act of Congress that violated the U.S. Constitution, and if Congress did not thereafter repeal said act, then the state had the right to secede.

Rather than abolish the unjust tariffs, Congress proceeded to slightly mitigate the tariffs with new tariffs in 1832. At that point, the South Carolina Legislature acted upon Calhoun’s protest and passed the Ordinance of Nullification, stating that the tariffs of 1828 and 1832 were null and void within the state of SC.

Unbelievably, Congress also passed the Force Bill, which authorized the president to organize troops against SC if she did not enforce the tariffs. The War of Northern Aggression was only averted at that point by Senator Henry Clay of Kentucky, who offered a new compromise that would lessen the tariffs on SC.

The inherent problem remained that Congress had no problem continuing to pass legislation that benefited the Northern states at the expense of the Southern states simply because they had the votes and the power to do so. This became visibly manifest in Congress’adoption of the Morrill Tariff legislation in 1860-61.

From the time Lincoln had entered politics, he championed the political agenda of the “American system.” First advocated by his mentor, Henry Clay, it had become a three-part program of protective tariffs, internal improvements, and centralized banking. This program tied economic development to strong centralized national authority.

Lincoln believed that import tariffs were necessary, even at the expense of consumers. He believed that American industries needed to be shielded from foreign competition and cheaper imported goods. Lincoln and the Republicans were absolutely determined to push mercantilist legislation, and this was documented by their platform in 1860.

Regardless of the Republican party’s infrastructure and protectionist rationalization, the fact was that tariffs were about to go up again.

Many in the North could not perceive that there was anything threatening about tariff legislation.
Economically there was.

“The people of the U.S. owe their Independence & their liberty, to the wisdom of descrying in the minute tax of 3 pence on tea, the magnitude of the evil comprised in the precedent. Let them exert the same wisdom, in watching against every evil lurking under plausible disguises, and growing up from small beginnings.” —James Madison

An export economy's entire livelihood depends upon being able to trade. Unless one is in the business of intentionally sending regions of a country into recession, heavy protectionism is indeed an apocalyptic event to those economies.

The South provided increasingly greater percentages of exports while the north's share declined (this was in part due to the fact that protectionism between 1816 and 1846 severely impaired technological modernization in the northern economy by encouraging a lazy domestic monopoly).

By 1860 the south literally supported the entire nation in the world economy. It provided in excess of 70% of the country's exports with most of the remainder coming from Midwestern and Western agriculture. Despite the success of the Southern farmer, the tariff system was defeating the work of the entire region to the benefit of Northern and Mid-Western states that were receiving the benefit of the protectionism and inflated prices.

This smoldering inequality eventually led to the state of SC acting on December 20, 1860, to secede from the Union. Shortly thereafter, ten more Southern states seceded and created a new country, the Confederate States of America. This would not have happened if Congress did not abuse its power by treating its states and citizens unequally.

Because of all of this, John C. Calhoun is widely recognized as the Father of Secession. He established that the Southern states should not be subjected to continued unequal treatment under the U.S. Constitution. When unequal treatment continued unabated, on December 20, 1860, SC became the first state to secede from an oppressive Union.

93 posted on 01/20/2014 2:40:26 PM PST by PeaRidge
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To: Servant of the Cross; Deb

Or ignored


94 posted on 01/20/2014 2:41:30 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

You did not read the passage.


95 posted on 01/20/2014 2:41:33 PM PST by PeaRidge
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To: lakecumberlandvet
"let the South go in peace" is totally bogus

A war between the two countries would have occurred before 1880. The issue would have been borders and western expansion.

96 posted on 01/20/2014 2:42:22 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

You conveniently forget that the fort was on Southern soil.


97 posted on 01/20/2014 2:43:47 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Kansas58
The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Funny you should mention that, given the federal inaction on immigration, and their downright refusal to allow states to enforce the law.

From Scalia's dissent regarding AZ's SB 1070:

Today’s opinion, approving virtually all of the Ninth Circuit’s injunction against enforcement of the four challenged provisions of Arizona’s law, deprives States of what most would con- sider the defining characteristic of sovereignty: the power to exclude from the sovereign’s territory people who have no right to be there. Neither the Constitution itself nor even any law passed by Congress supports this result.
[…]
Two other provisions of the Constitution are an acknowledgment of the States’ sovereign interest in protecting their borders. Article I provides that “[n]o State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection Laws.” Art. I, §10, cl. 2 (emphasis added). This assumed what everyone assumed: that the States could exclude from their territory dangerous or unwholesome goods.
    A later portion of the same section provides that “[n]o State shall, without the Consent of Congress, . . . engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.” Art. I, §10, cl. 3 (emphasis added). This limits the States’ sovereignty (in a way not relevant here) but leave sintact their inherent power to protect their territory.

98 posted on 01/20/2014 2:44:50 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Trying to change the subject? This thread is about the tyranny of Lincoln who cared nothing about the Constitution unless he could use it as a club.


99 posted on 01/20/2014 2:47:14 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: teppe

The actual cause of the Civil War was the invention of the cotton gin!


100 posted on 01/20/2014 2:48:47 PM PST by Renegade
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