Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson
Again bub, the only one mouthing off is you. I didn’t call all Southern Freepers Dixiecrats. I’m talking about the Johnny Reb wannabes like you. You ought to man up and shut up.
You are so wrong.
The Dixiecrats also passed gun control laws specifically designed to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed black slaves so the KKK could more easily kill them. It went on this way until 1872 when some ex-Union Army soldiers and officers formed an organization called “The National Rifle Association’’ and at risk to themselves gave blacks guns and the knowledge to use them so to protect themselves from Klan violence.
Lincoln was morally opposed to the institution of slavery and sought to bring about its discontinuance by legal and Constitutional means, rather than by unconstitutional means.
Really? I don’t think so. If the shoe fits wear it.
Secede, secession, succeed, succession.
My mother’s side of the family hails from Mississippi and Alabama since before the war of northern aggression they are all staunch conservatives as am I, partially raised in that environment. I’ll match my bonafides and voting record with anyone.
Only a Sith lord deals in absolutes.
Very interesting. You must have heard a lot of good stuff.
Although there was some opposition to slavery in the country, the government was willing to concede everything the South wanted regarding slavery to keep it in the Union.
To say "everything" is simply not true. The one thing the Slave Powers had been demanding for the last 30 years was the one issue that Lincoln refused to compromise on. That is the expansion of slavery to the territories. The South demanded it, and Lincoln and his party refused to allow it.
How do you think it would be better?
Better for the South. The North, without the South, would be completely communist by now.
I have a book that is full of actual speeches and quotes by Lincoln during his term and run for senate. He was very much against slavery and the push to spread it in the new territories was real and constant. He knew that it would eventually destroy the union, and he also said things to mollify the weaker and Democratic souls in order to get his way...the good way, done. This author really doesn’t know what he writes.
And whether slavery would have eventually been gone is probably true, however, the larger it grew at the time, the more people it enslaved. It was not just apartheid that died with much bloodshed too, it was far worse. It very well could have split the nation into two, with the slave part eventually becoming free, but then we probably would have had two separate and weaker nations.
Some serious bumpage is in order for later reading. The posts will be better than Netflix tonight!!!
A WBTS thread is very entertaining indeed!
Both sides. Many families were split.
The south may have shot first “live rounds” but Lincoln started the war. Did you read the post?
So when things get really bad here do conservatives need to wait and not shoot first? I say the first shot has been fired.
I don’t see by your page where you hail from. Jersey maybe? A non-southern state?
The North government policies was more anti-Black than the South.
The South mandated equal pay for all soldiers, Black and White alike.
The North paid Black soldiers $10/mo minus a $3/mo clothing fee, while Whites weren’t charged a clothing fee and were salaried at $13/mo, effecting about a 46% pay cut for Blacks in the North.
The Confederacy had already outlawed overseas slave trade by 1863 and allowed individual states to outlaw slavery.
Union states still had legalized slavery at least 3 years after the War in Missouri, Maryland, Delaware and Kentucky.
The South wasn’t without racism as declared in his “Cornerstone Speech”. Vice President Alexander Stephens, declared that the “cornerstone” of the new government “rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”
It should also be noted that the Emancipation Proclamation failed to remove Indentured Servitude as a legitimate form of slavery for whites.
Historians of the period noted the White indentured servers were frequently maltreated to the point of death, whereas Black slaves were well provided because they were a longer term investment. The indentured servitude might only last 3-10 years, whereas the slave was considered property of his owner to be properly cared for as human livestock.
White slavery and indentured servitude far exceeded Black slavery in North America through about mid 1600s, and by 1700, about 45% of immigrants were indentured servants, with white slaves and indentured servants numbering about the same and Black slaves in N America. (S America and Latin speaking areas were much more heavily Black slave numbered than the N American English areas)
While both the British Empire abolished slavery and the US abolished imprisonment for indebtedness in 1833, they still lingered until about 1917 in various forms and not really internationally outlawed until 1947 by the UN.
Involuntary servitude and slavery were outlawed in the US in 2000 by the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, as well as peonage (which also had been outlawed in the US after the Civil War).
The North government policies were more anti-Black than the South.
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