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How a Liberty Convention Can CRUSH the Ruling Class [vanity]

Posted on 08/23/2013 6:43:59 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March

The top arguments against Levin's concept are mainly based on static math.

Some people have concluded that the Liberty Amendments require congressional support that does not currently exist. Others are concerned that you would need a majority of states before you even begin. Such calculations are static.

An exciting idea spreads, and then its popularity grows in ALL STATES and all districts. Politicians opposed to good ideas should be weeded out -- both in Congress and in the state legislatures. Then ANY idea that inspires the super-majority wins. This is the perfect litmus test: who wants limited government? Simple, easy to understand. If a politician defends big government, that's all you need to know. The REAL problem is the need is to build greater excitement -- covered next.

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The dynamics of creative problem-solving.

[NOTE -- this is thinking BEYOND Levin's book.]

Levin's ideas of term limits are very helpful, but in my opinion we need more exciting ideas added to the mix. Empowering states for example. Do you think states might want more power? I know Arizona does. Texas does. When it comes to Obama-care, I think most states want more power.

Sick of Eric Holder?

States should also have the power to collectively form an impeachment trial for any appointee in the Executive Branch for consideration of removal [requiring a super majority vote].

Here's another idea for a Constitutional Amendment -- states could have the power to collectively repeal any Federal legislation with simple majority support. Simple, huh? The power to repeal legislation [such as Obama-care] is an arrow that generally points downward toward limited government and more deliberation before any new legislation is implemented.

Term limiting federal judges is a good start but not enough. We also need purge our courts of the tyrants-in-robes who offered anti-constitutional opinions during Kelo, Obama-Care, and gun control decisions. Such opinions are wildly unpopular and blatantly anti-constitutional. That would mark an exciting change. How powerful is an activist judge who has been so disgraced and told by the super-majority to go jump in the lake?

[I'll link to a bunch of ideas in a post below.]

Bottom line, a convention isn't limited to any one person's ideas. It mushrooms. As for liberal ideas, they will have a much harder time getting 3/4 support than common sense ideas. A gamble, true. But a necessary one.


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1 posted on 08/23/2013 6:43:59 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: aumrl; GraceG; Jacquerie

Would you like to be on my ‘Liberty Amendment’ ping list? I promise to not ping more than one time each day. And that will quickly taper off later on.


2 posted on 08/23/2013 6:46:57 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"Would you like to be on my ‘Liberty Amendment’ ping list?"

Yes, 'cause it's a lot more palatable than our bloody "Plan B".

3 posted on 08/23/2013 7:03:36 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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Other esciting amendment ideas that might take off:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3056931/posts?page=22#22


4 posted on 08/23/2013 7:04:19 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Psalm 73

Amen to that!

Some people have no idea how dangerous a ‘bloody plan B’ would be.


5 posted on 08/23/2013 7:07:46 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Here's the amendments that I'd propose.

Tax Reform Amendment
Section I
No tax, federal or state, shall ever be withheld from the wages of a worker of any citizen of either.

Section II
No property shall be seized for failure to pay taxes until after conviction in a jury trial; the right of the jury to nullify (and thereby forgive) this debt shall never be questioned or denied.

Section III
The second amendment is hereby recognized as restricting the power of taxation, both federal and state, therefore no tax (or fine) shall be laid upon munitions or the sale thereof.

Section IV
The seventh amendment is also hereby recognized, and nothing in this amendment shall restrict the right of a citizen to seek civil redress.

Section V
No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever exceed 10%.

Section VI
No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever apply varying rates to those in its jurisdiction.

Section VII
No retroactive or ex post facto tax (or fee) shall ever be valid.

Section VIII
The congress may not delegate the creation of any tax or fine in any way.

Section IX
No federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent shall ever be exempt from any tax, fine, or fee by virtue of their position.

Section X
Any federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent applying, attempting to apply, or otherwise causing the application of an ex post facto or retroactive law shall, upon conviction, be evicted from office and all retirement benefits forfeit.

Fiscal Responsibility Amendment
Section I
The power of Congress to regulate the value of the dollar is hereby repealed.

Section II
The value of the Dollar shall be one fifteen-hundredth avoirdupois ounce of gold of which impurities do not exceed one part per thousand.

Section III
To guard against Congress using its authority over weights and measures to bypass Section I, the ounce in Section II is approximately 28.3495 grams (SI).

Section IV
The Secretary of the Treasury shall annually report the gold physically in its possession; this report shall be publicly available.

Section V
The power of the Congress to assume debt is hereby restricted: the congress shall assume no debt that shall cause the total obligations of the United States to exceed one hundred ten percent of the amount last reported by the Secretary of the Treasury.

Section VI
Any government agent, officer, judge, justice, employee, representative, or congressman causing gold to be confiscated from a private citizen shall be tried for theft and upon conviction shall:
    a. be removed from office (and fired, if an employee),
    b. forfeit all pension and retirement benefits,
    c. pay all legal costs, and
    d. restore to the bereaved twice the amount in controversy.

Section VII
The federal government shall assume no obligation lacking funding, neither shall it lay such obligation on any of the several States, any subdivision thereof, or any place under the jurisdiction of the United States. All unfunded liabilities heretofore assumed by the United States are void.

Section VIII
The federal government shall make all payments to its employees or the several states in physical gold. Misappropriation, malfeasance and/or misfeasance of funds shall be considered confiscation.

Senate Reform Amendment
Section I
The seventeenth amendment is hereby repealed.

Section II
The several states may provide by law the means by which their senators may be removed or replaced.

Commerce Clause Amendment
Section I
The federal government shall directly subsidize no product or industry whatsoever, saving the promotion the progress of Science and useful Arts.

Section II
The federal government shall never prescribe nor proscribe what the Several States teach. Neither the federal government nor the several states shall ever deny the right of parents to teach and instruct their children as they see fit.

Section III
The congress may impose tariffs, excise taxes, and customs duties on anything imported or exported, provided that they are applied uniformly and in no manner restrict, subvert, or circumvent the second amendment.

Section IV
No law may impose prohibitions of any sort on the commerce between the several states due to the item itself.

6 posted on 08/23/2013 7:11:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Thug Control Amendment

[As someone said yesterday, “Thug control rather than gun control”]

To crack down on high violence areas, the Federal government could have special law enforcement powers in the worst quarters of the three cities with the worst rate of violent crimes. Such powers are only what the majority of states’ attorneys general agree upon. Only one fourth of any such city can be under this special jurisdiction [or less than one fourth if the states collectively prefer].

[It’s important to minimize the local politicians regarding such negotiations since high crime is often due to local political corruption.]


7 posted on 08/23/2013 7:13:31 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

ok


8 posted on 08/23/2013 7:15:05 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Sure!


9 posted on 08/23/2013 8:08:49 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I believe that the amendments that are first to be vote on should be ones that empowers the states themselves, just for political expediency. To get the state legislatures the incentive to process the decision of representatives for a convention, they first must see the direct benefit to these very legislators. Food for thought.


10 posted on 08/23/2013 9:21:41 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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