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To: Rides3
"All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States, without distinction of color..."

That is where Obama fails to meet the requirements. He and the DNC have already admitted that he was subject to the British Nationality Act of 1948 at birth via his non-citizen father.

That was the very first wording they came up with, and they improved it over time.

The reason why they changed to "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" does not seem to be recorded, but they obviously had some reason.

The obvious reason is that most likely somebody raised the point that the original wording sounded like it excluded immigrants. And that was NEVER the intention, not from the very moment it was introduced on the Senate floor.

In fact, it was only MINUTES after introducing that EXACT wording that you've just quoted, that Trumbull clarified that IT DID NOT EXCLUDE CHILDREN BORN ON US SOIL OF NON-CITIZEN PARENTS FROM BEING BORN CITIZENS.

Any foreign nation can declare that anybody, born anywhere, is a citizen. Any such declaration is completely and absolutely irrelevant to whether a person is, under our laws, a natural born citizen of the United States.

405 posted on 04/04/2013 5:29:37 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Any foreign nation can declare that anybody, born anywhere, is a citizen. Any such declaration is completely and absolutely irrelevant to whether a person is, under our laws, a natural born citizen of the United States.

I've brought up my own situation a few times in these threads. My great grandfather emigrated from Italy 100 years ago last month. He became a US citizen, renouncing his Italian citizenship in 1943, less than a year before one of his sons was killed in Normandy. In the meantime, my grandfather was born in 1920. Now, according to Italian law, because my grandfather was born before my great grandfather renounced, Italian citizenship passed to him. He never knew this, and never made a point of renouncing it. Then my mother was born and under that same law, citizenship passed to her, and from her to me. If I provide a bunch of documentation--birth certificates, marriage certificates, etc.--I can get an Italian passport. This is not the same as applying for citizenship and naturalizing as an Italian. Under their law, I already AM an Italian citizen.

So here's the question: I'm three generations native born. Am I a natural born citizen? Or does a quirk of Italian law disqualify me? By way of contrast, if my great grandfather was say, Spanish, none of this would apply. They are strictly jus soli.

408 posted on 04/04/2013 5:41:42 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Jeff Winston
In fact, it was only MINUTES after introducing that EXACT wording that you've just quoted, that Trumbull clarified that IT DID NOT EXCLUDE CHILDREN BORN ON US SOIL OF NON-CITIZEN PARENTS FROM BEING BORN CITIZENS.

Cite the exact statement and provide a link to the Congressional Record in which this supposedly appears.

418 posted on 04/04/2013 7:13:05 PM PDT by Rides3
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