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"I think in these times, hammering on the social issues does not work as much, it ain't 1955 anymore plus most people are more worried about putting food on the table, a roof over their head and when their son/daughter is coming home from Afghanistan soon."

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" It's just as time goes on, I focus on the real issues"

There it is again...another voice trying to convince us of the increasing irrelevance of social issues. The other day someone said we were going to have to stop talking about abortion. The GOP has drafted the memo, and it's beginning to go out, slowly but surely.

The culture is rotting from the inside out. Unborn babies by the millions are being pulled out and thrown in the garbage dump; God is openly scorned and mocked. And we're being urged to accept the idea that two men messing with each others' filthy anal area, or two women abusing themselves with objects, is "marriage."

Tax cuts and fiscal policy won't save the country as long as moral degeneracy is tolerated and embraced. If you don't think those are "real" issues, I don't know what to say to you, but don't expect me to shut up about them.

There it is again...another voice trying to convince us of the increasing irrelevance of social issues. The other day someone said we were going to have to stop talking about abortion. The GOP has drafted the memo, and it's beginning to go out, slowly but surely.
The culture is rotting from the inside out. Unborn babies by the millions are being pulled out and thrown in the garbage dump; God is openly scorned and mocked. And we're being urged to accept the idea that two men messing with each others' filthy anal area, or two women abusing themselves with objects, is "marriage."

Tax cuts and fiscal policy won't save the country as long as moral degeneracy is tolerated and embraced. If you don't think those are "real" issues, I don't know what to say to you, but don't expect me to shut up about them.

Standing and applauding only until my hands start to bleed...where are all those applause graphics, folks?

There it is again...another voice trying to convince us of the increasing irrelevance of social issues. The other day someone said we were going to have to stop talking about abortion. The GOP has drafted the memo, and it's beginning to go out, slowly but surely.

WE have to shift gears here. If you want to win people over with some of the issues you like, you have to win first and you have to calculate on what it takes to get into the driver's seat. I've talked to many young people, I am encouraged on many things, one told me that too many people expect the government to care for them although he isn't too religious. We need to reach out to them and if we get in the drivers seat, maybe if you do care about the social issues, perhaps you can win them over. The first step is to win. Think of it this way, it is like taking on an M1 tank with a WWII era King Tiger. You ain't going to win head on and if you keep trying, you'll run out of King Tigers. You have to employ tactics that will enable you to win by other ways.

The culture is rotting from the inside out. Unborn babies by the millions are being pulled out and thrown in the garbage dump; God is openly scorned and mocked. And we're being urged to accept the idea that two men messing with each others' filthy anal area, or two women abusing themselves with objects, is "marriage."

as a libertarian, I'm pro-life, without life there is no liberty. Yes, God is mocked too much, the bullying should stop No matter if your religious, gay, up, down, whatever, no one should be bullied. The gay lobby should leave the Boy Scouts alone for example. Personally, it is the radicals of all stripes that make things look bad.

Tax cuts and fiscal policy won't save the country as long as moral degeneracy is tolerated and embraced. If you don't think those are "real" issues, I don't know what to say to you, but don't expect me to shut up about them.

Well, in addition, we need to force responsibility and accoutability. Sometimes people have to find out the hard way.

I see myself as a realist. We live in am oral world of various shades of greys to pure black. That is our nature, are are not perfect although we strive to be. We have to learn how to make good decisions on our own and teach the next generation the best we can to do that but there is a time bird must fly and fish must fry. Sometimes the "best choice" is the least of the grey's out there.

I just get tired of all the hyperbole that goes on where it seems some always see a pedophile behind every tree or a demon behind every bush and yet, I get picked on for Martians even though I never mentioned them. It would make a good Playstation 3 game, but it ain't real life. We got real boogie men out there without making more up.

I distrust government period, I certainly don't want Bronco Bama's American nanny state however, I don't want us to become a nanny state period, sometimes I do see where some here would use the government to enforce their social code on the rest of us which is just as bad. That's my point. Also, religion is a personal issue although it should be freely practiced

I don't know, most likely I have Asperger's (I was tested at high functioning autistic as a kid) so I have more tolerance for differences in people since I'm different. I guess I don't like finger pointing because at some point if I do it too much, I'll have 4 or 5 pointing back at me. I like to decide for my own self on moral and ethical issues from what I was brought up and taught. We are given free will by God. That said, I also like to make up my own mind as on what I think of situations on a case by case basis instead of a blanket approach. I see myself as a Barry Goldwater type, minus Planned Parenthood, they need to be investigate and shut down if the case warrant it.

I'm sure we can agree on 80% of the issues if we sat down and had a beer. We need to work on those and figure out a way to win and get in the driver's seat. I'm sure DU is laughing at us here, we don't want that.

One last thing, I agree with Melas where everything must past scrutiny but one minor nitpick, religion is a matter of faith and I think it's hard to apply that rule of thumb. I do believe science and religion do converge at some point but where I don't know and I don't know if we ever will find out. Still that said, no one can force a person to believe or disbelieve. It is up to each of us to find out. This is my last post here on this thread. We need to quit nitpicking and work together as libertarians and conservatives of all stripes.