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1 posted on 12/05/2012 4:40:38 PM PST by Joe the Pimpernel
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I’d take it out. You know what taxes are now. If you can live with that, do it. Otherwise you’re basically gambling. I don’t see Obama and Co LOWERING taxes, do you?


2 posted on 12/05/2012 4:43:29 PM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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I think you have two years before you need to worry about Obama nationalizing anything.

If the dems take the House, then all bets are off.

Dual citizenship is pretty attractive right now.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 4:47:55 PM PST by OpusatFR
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Ping me if you get some reasonable advice, my husband and I are asking the same questions.......really no one seems to know what to do.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 4:50:26 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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I can only tell you what I’ve done and why.

I have had two IRA’s in my career. I didn’t know I had them until I left the company. The IRA’s were tied heavily to the stock of the company and both were going down, hence my being laid off despite being a top performer.

I took the 20% hit and spent it. It was jackpot money as I didn’t invest them or I may have. I wouldn’t have consciously done that as I can do better with my money(My bloated ego)

If I had an IRA and knowing that in two years Obama, Boehner, et all will confiscate my loot and give me a coupon good for donuts and coffee, I’d take it out and take the hit.

Hell, if it’s enough maybe you buy some property, pay something down/off, invest it or put in a puny CD.

If you have a whole lot then you might consider bonds in other countries. They pay joker wild money but you need $100k to buy most of them.

Just be deliberate in your thinking and remind yourself in a few why you made the decision. That way you have no regrets but did your best.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 4:52:01 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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A financial planner is what I did five years ago. At least talk to a tax man. Some of the capital gains tax do not kick in so much until $250,000
7 posted on 12/05/2012 4:52:19 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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absolutely NO!!!

do not give the tax man money. My mother waited until she was older ... her income went down and she had high medical expenses for long-term care.

She cashed out then, and the expenses offset the income ... therefore the tax was $0!

If fact, she did not cash out, she converted her traditional to a ROTH and paid the tax at that 0% rate.

my mother has her grandchildren as beneficiaries on the roth ira, so they will receive the tax-free benefits until they are 80 yrs old ... another 70 years!

keep your IRA’s ... many benefits.

Annuities are a different story.


8 posted on 12/05/2012 4:53:05 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigned for local conservatives only)
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I’ve been thinking about the same thing.

On the bad side: If you’re in a high bracket, and we go over the cliff, rates will go up about 5%.

On the good side: Even if you delay, the 3.8% Obamacare tax doesn’t apply to IRA distributions and conversions.

Also, you should remember that Roth IRAs may be tax-free, but there are still restrictions. Most of them apply to heirs. For you, the contributor, you have to wait 5 years before you can withdraw any gains without penalty. However, you can withdraw your original contribution if you need to.

I’m of the mind that the government will get increasingly greedy, and retirement plans are an obvious pot ‘o’ gold. So, I’m going to withdraw my IRA over the next few years, before I boost my base level income by taking SS.

YMMV, as they say.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 4:53:48 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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If I was 59.5 at this very moment, I would cash out any IRA or 401K.

I am sitting right at 250K this year and file married jointly and I would take the hit.

Just my opinion. I have always been able to plan 5 years in advance concerning finances until around 2004 all my planning seemed to be for naught. This is probably the most confused I have ever been of what direction to “jump” with my finances.

The frog hairs on the back of my neck have been standing up as of late........could be a sign.....


10 posted on 12/05/2012 4:54:09 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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The Bush tax cuts will be back in, at least for under 250,000 after a few weeks, the screams from 47% finding they have taxes again will take of that. Don't take that early withdrawal hit yet.
11 posted on 12/05/2012 4:54:17 PM PST by AU72
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I would say get out of the dollar before you lose it all.

Do it in increments over the next 3-6 months.

I would say thats about how long we have left before hyper-inflation starts robbing everything from everybody.

Can you think of any scenario where the dollar will strengthen over the next 4 years?

Yeah... get out


13 posted on 12/05/2012 4:57:31 PM PST by Safrguns
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A bird in the hand...


14 posted on 12/05/2012 4:57:54 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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Here is what I did, cashed out, paid off debts. Set myself up to grow my own food (plus extra) and produce my own fuel (ethanol for the generators and cars plus extra). Also have the means of preserving the food and protecting the family from those that wish to take from me. Stocked up on canned goods for the family, water purification and extra medical supplies. All of this is to prep for any kind of disaster. Cost was just about $10,000. Also socked away some junk silver and some gold coins.

For that small amount, my family and I are set up to face even the worst of economic disasters and most natural disaster. I consider it “insurance” against society.

So if you can pay off your house, pay of cars, and other debts, get yourself where you “dont owe nobody, nothing”.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 4:59:18 PM PST by taxcontrol
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1. Don't make investment decisions based on politics...

2. If it was me and I wanted to get out of stocks I'd looks to other investments you can hold in an IRA real estate and precious metals come to mind.

3. Don't take my advise or anyone else’s you get on a forum, its your money spend a few bucks and get advise from someone who invests for a living..

16 posted on 12/05/2012 5:00:58 PM PST by montanajoe
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Leave your Roth money alone. If you plan to take the funds out of your traditional IRA and take the tax hit (hopefully you’ll be fortunate enough to be able to pay much, or all, of the taxes from sources other than your IRA distribution), have as much as you can rolled over to your Roth. Remember, with certain exceptions, you won’t be able to take the resulting earnings from that roll-over for 5 years but could take out any of the rolled over “principle” at any time without having to take a tax penalty.

Do some more research before you do anything hastily.


18 posted on 12/05/2012 5:05:41 PM PST by House Atreides
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Cash out now. The rats are already planning to steal our retirements!!!


20 posted on 12/05/2012 5:11:45 PM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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This is the 2nd post of this nature today.
To me that is scary.
It tells me that there are many out there that have spent more time on sites like FR hashing over political things that other than voting they have no control over when they may want to spend time reading and boneing up on finance,investing,asset allocation and risk tolerance as they can control all of that.
Its not rocket science.

In the other post I recommended the poster go to the sites below and check out a few of the topics and see what others have too say.These are people that eat sleep and live $$$.
I suggest the same to you as I have seen a few foolish and uneducated replies.

http://socialize.morningstar.com/NewSocialize/forums/default.aspx

http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php


22 posted on 12/05/2012 5:49:31 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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Joe, I strongly recommend that you roll your IRA over into a self-administered gold IRA - and put it all in high numismatic value US gold coins ONLY. (The only gold that the US government cannot confiscate!)

Call Lear Capital and let them explain how this will help you (800-576-9355.) They've proven to be the best I've done business with over the years.

They will be doing my IRA shortly, as I'll be retiring within a few weeks. They do it all, and pretty fast too.

With a self administered account you can pay yourself monthly, or not, depending on your needs - and you can keep your 'income' low enough that you won't have to pay taxes on your distributions.

There is a high probability that gold will more than double in value in coming months, so what you have in your account will also double. Yes - it's all tied to the price of gold, but there is not much chance that it will radically fall in value - just the opposite.

23 posted on 12/05/2012 5:50:52 PM PST by Ron C.
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Joe - a P.S. to my last. There is NO TAX involved in rolling your current IRA over into a gold IRA. You only pay taxes above a certain amount of distribution to yourself per year. If that value is below taxable rates of income, there is no tax.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 5:53:13 PM PST by Ron C.
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You might want to look at a Roth conversion for your traditional IRA if you have a favorable tax rate right now.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 5:53:31 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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One more P.S. Joe... you said:

"if Ubama decides to nationalize 401(k)s and IRAs, he can't get me."

He can't take away high numismatic value US Gold coins - at least as the law stands right now. Of course, he might try at some point, but he'll face the wrath and outrage of his own party hacks that have their wealth in high numismatic US gold coins. I doubt he'll risk that!

26 posted on 12/05/2012 6:02:24 PM PST by Ron C.
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