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Our Odds of Beating Obama Are Better By Dumping Mitt in a Brokered Convention ^ | 8-2-2012 | PolitiJim (@politiJim)

Posted on 08/02/2012 7:46:37 PM PDT by rightjb


147 Degrees West (@147DW) has done a wonderful job of putting together the success rate of nominees wrought from a brokered convention.  The conclusion: Odds of Beating Obama Are Better By Dumping Mitt.

Many automatically assume that Mitt Romney is the presumptive nominee of the Republican party, and that the Tampa convention will end up being nothing more than a Guthy-Renker Romney infomercial. 

That will be news to the Lawyers for Ron Paul who have filed a little covered Federal, civil rights lawsuit, against the GOP and many state GOP parties for election fraud on behalf of the Romney campaign.  And yes; although it's no where near the extent of fraud conducted by the Obama campaign in 2008 (or even this year), it has occurred blatantly.  In many states including Maine, Missouri, Massachusetts, Oklahoma (and even Puerto Rico) votes went unrecorded or delegates were excluded from caucuses.

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KEYWORDS: 2012rncconvention; brokeredconvention; fantasyisland; mittromney; pimpmyblog; pimpmytwitterfeed; ronpaul
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To: RaisingCain

I keep asking this and no one answers. Tell me whom you are for and not whom you are against. Give me a name. Who do you suggest we replace Romney?

81 posted on 08/03/2012 4:03:50 AM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: Figment; PA Engineer; RaisingCain

My point is that today, August 3, the deal is not done. We have not been saddled with Romney until the gavel comes down at the convention, and currently, Tea Party conservatism is enjoying more momentum than we have had since Reagan. Let’s try to pull this out.

An e-convention can be organized in a matter of days with the internet resources that conseervatives have developed. Put a conservatve name on the floor, raise awareness, make an appeal to the delegations from each state and see if we can get a conservative on the ballot. Even if the effort fails, I bet we get a conservative VP to carry the banner against Obama.

If the effort fails- we are no worse off than we are right now, but we will have made an effort. We hold our noses, vote for Romney and that is that, but when has conservatism meant not trying?

82 posted on 08/03/2012 4:38:04 AM PDT by rem_mitchell
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To: rem_mitchell

Who is this conservative candidate that you suggest we nominate? I’d like a name, please.

Oh, and welcome to FR. I see you’ve been here a month. Who do you support?

83 posted on 08/03/2012 5:05:21 AM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: JSteff

If all those who caste mccain "no" or "protest" votes of one type or another had voted there would be NO OBAMA right now!

Ugh ... Are you not up on current events? If the RINO McCain had been president, there would not have been a republican push-back in the Senate with regard to L.O.S.T. (aka The Sea Treaty). For sake of "party unity" the Republicans would have been told to get "their asses in line" for McCain, just like you are doing today for Romney's benefit. After telling us "But I’m just too concerned about the aspect of United States sovereignty being handed over to some international organization" with regard to the Sea Treaty, McCain turned redcoat on us and led the charge to vote for this sacrifice of our sovereignty and defensibility. That's the problem with these RINO's that those of us you call "limited minded and short sighted" can see that you cannot. You will never advance a conservative agenda by entrusting its implementation to a liberal. All you'll accomplish is destroying your brand and making future marketing that much more difficult.

84 posted on 08/03/2012 5:50:12 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: pallis

This isn’t that time, obviously, just like last time wasn’t that time, grievously. Meanwhile, vote for whomever you please, for whomever gives you peace of mind, the surety of justice, sense of honor or spiritual hope. If your vote helps Obama win, feel good about your decision while this nation crumbles beyond repair. Good on ya’ brother.

Sanity in a thread of delusion. Who would have thought

85 posted on 08/03/2012 5:51:08 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: Figment

Why would I vote for Obama? Who says I have to vote for either Romney or Obama? Oh, you’re one of those sellouts that believe that not voting for the RINO is the same as voting for Obama. Very sad that you allow yourself to be used as a tool.

No, I will support a brokered convention and although I may not hope for delegates putting Paul over the top, at least a cadre of far better candidates can be brought to the floor.

86 posted on 08/03/2012 6:14:23 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: JSteff; All
Any bright ideas out there?
Step up now and present it before it is too late.

Good morning.

This is not the only place that I raised my concern about committed Christians who feel they are sinning by voting for Romney because of his pushing the gay agenda, abortion,...... I sent e-mails to some Christian orgs. that I trusted for many years asking what we are do do, because like me, many feel it is wrong to vote for someone who DID things that even Obama had not done before he was president. One org really surprised me and said outright we don't have any choices and was flip-that org is not one that spoke a lot about God, but was purely pro-life and clearly did not care what romney ever did. Others gave me the form letter that they can't tell people who to vote for. One place, the one that I trusted the most, had an assistant answer me in a very personal letter. I'm sure they knew they had to be very careful about endorsements or the opposite. They said they had heard from lots of people who raised similar concerns reminded me to trust God. They directed me to an arm of there org that deals a lot with these issues. It said when all choices are bad to skip that person, write in a name, but vote the rest of the ticket.

There are a lot of us who want what if right for our country and feel we got into this social downhill descent because people compromised (democrats years ago) what they believed and voted for the person with the “D” behind their name. The DNC seen that these people will do whatever they say, even if it's wrong; and that is why the left is like it is today. The RNC turned into the party who stood with God. They know they can't come right out and say we are not fighting the social fights anymore, so they needed someone who was willing to lie and convince people he was conservative, then cover for that person as much as they can. This is why conservative candidates were screaming about what Romney DID in MA. You also had the brave souls who issued a letter outlining all that romney did in MA and how he has gone back and forth on being pro-life/pro-gay marriage & adoption. Look at the names of some of these people who signed this letter:

Judge Ned Kirby (ret.), former Assistant Minority Leader, Massachusetts Senate
Atty. Edgar Kelley, former Assistant United States Attorney, Massachusetts District
Dr. William Greene, President,
Dr. Ted Baehr, Chairman, Christian Film and Television Commission
Linda Harvey, President, Mission America*
Gary Glenn, President, American Family Association of Michigan*
Michael Heath, Executive Director, Christian Civic League of Maine*
Ray Neary, Director, Pro-Life Massachusetts (former President, Massachusetts Citizens for Life)
John O’Gorman, Member of the Board of Directors, Massachusetts Citizens for Life
Peter LaBarbera, Founder, Republicans For Family Values; President, Americans for Truth*
Diane Gramley, President, American Family Association of Pennsylvania
John Haskins, The Parents’ Rights Coalition
Gregg Jackson, Co-host, “Pundit Review,” author: “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies,” contributor,,
William Cotter, President, Operation Rescue: Boston*
Brian Camenker, President, MassResistance
Mark Charalambous, Spokesman, CPF-Fatherhood Coalition, Massachusetts
Nedd Kareiva, President, Stop the ACLU Coalition
Phillip Magnan, President, Biblical Family Advocates
Rev. Earle Fox, D. Phil, (Oxford), President, Road to Emmaus, School of Judeo-Christian Apologetics (
Janet Folger, author, columnist, President, Faith2Action
Michael W. Calsetta, Former President, Conservative Democratic Alliance
Allyson Smith, Director, Americans for Truth-California*

There has been many godly leaders, during the primary, who tried to warn people and they were viciously attacked by the media on the right as well as right here on FR. Many people here defended this Romney (it was common knowledge that the mormon church sent people not only to polling places to work, but to all the blogs, to do their duty and get this man elected) We had those who said they were for a certain candidate other than Romney, but ONLY attacked conservative candidates. Never Romney. When it looked like Romney won they jumped on the band wagon so quickly your head spun. They spewed such hate at anyone who did not like romney, it was sad. A few of realized that they were for romney the whole time. I caught one them lying because I knew what this person was doing and cut and pasted some older comments they made and watched what they were saying on later comments. Of course many of these people disappeared from here after it looked like romney won. I should say they changed there names. Romney had been running for president so long, he knew what to do, and where to go to reach the conservatives. Problem was many are committed to God and not a political party. I guess he reasoned he sold out his beliefs for power and we would too. .

To answer your question, what do we do now. Many people have been praying for a miracle at the convention. At this point most conservatives will take anyone who is truly pro-life and will stop gay marriage and socialized medicine....... That is why I am not asking God for a certain person, but a man or women who has done what is right and will fight for what is right. I'm tired of telling God what to do. He knows what we need, and hopefully it's not punishment; although this nation deserves it.

In the mid 70’s there was a spiritual awakening that spread though this country and really hit the colleges. We saw what the sixties brought and people were turning to God in repentance. Those years of praying, repenting and turning to God did work. In 1980 we got a godly man: Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately, the left used marxist tactics to bring us abortion, free love, the beginning of the collapse of the family. The gays are doing the exact same thing the left did in the 70’s to get abortion. Intimidation, protest.....the same thing satan always has done. If you can't sweet talk them into sin, intimidate them. God help this country if we think Romney is our answer to the problem of Obama. I will not be online for a while as we had a death in the family. Next week.

87 posted on 08/03/2012 7:21:55 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: rightjb

Not gonna happen. Mitt is the nominee and likely the next President of the USSA.

88 posted on 08/03/2012 7:43:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RaisingCain
Ultimately, though, whoever wins, the solution will not be political. It is a spiritual problem that must be addressed spiritually. Mittens and Obozo, two massive rats, are merely a symptom of our disease. I honestly consider it punishment from God to allow us to be represented by men who, honestly, represent us (the country as a whole) very well spiritually.
-——————————————————————————————oldie but goodie

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in a foreign country it's because they want them in a foreign country ...

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

89 posted on 08/03/2012 7:50:21 AM PDT by freedommom
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To: muawiyah

My money is on Romney dropping his campaign before he shows his 2007, 2008 and 2009 income tax returns.

He may have suffered massive losses in the derivatives market collapse, and simply carried them forward and back as far as the law allowed ~ thereby giving himself some serious money in refunds from the federales (although he did suffer some losses).

This would be similar to the trick GE used to avoid paying any income taxes at all during that same period ~ not that they didn’t do anything illegal, but they got some whopping big refunds from “overwithholding” ~ Bwahahahahahahah!!!!

McCain saw NONE of that stuff!

Frankly, I think he’s a rich guy who cares more for his money than anything else ~ but we shall see, eh.

Take your class warfare claptrap back to DU, libtard!!!

90 posted on 08/03/2012 8:32:16 AM PDT by Longdriver
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To: Longdriver
You are so utterly corrupt longdriver. What was it Truman said, if you can't take the heat get out the kitchen ~ I think that was KCMO lingo for "fess up or move on".

Still good advice.

BTW, the convention hasn't been held yet ~ your boy is still just a wannabee candidate. He, and you , are still fair game in politics ~ on the Republican side.

91 posted on 08/03/2012 8:38:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Perdogg

While brokering a convention it’s inappropriate to stick to one guy or gal. We are not, after all, Mittbots!

92 posted on 08/03/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Romney is hardly ‘my boy’.

But your class-warfare shilling makes it clear that the current Chief Chimp is YOUR boy!!


93 posted on 08/03/2012 8:42:36 AM PDT by Longdriver
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To: rightjb

Romney fought like hell to eliminate all conservative opposition in the primaries. Now he is acting like a nice guy moderate get-along. He is phony and the sheeple know it. Even though Obama is a socialist, he is a real socialist and the sheeple like to see strength of conviction. By default a moderate cannot have strong convictions. There is the rub.

94 posted on 08/03/2012 8:44:08 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dupree
I would let you and everybody else on Earth know my personal wealth down to the last penny just to run seriously for the Presidency.

I value the welfare of the people of the United States enough to let it all hang out.

Now with a guy like Romney, he seems unwilling to do that ~ but you may know better. Ask him next time you see him. Ask him what it's worth to run for President?

95 posted on 08/03/2012 8:45:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Longdriver
You can be for Romney, for obama or for God!

You cannot be for all three, or just two in that list. Pick one.

96 posted on 08/03/2012 8:46:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mplsconservative
And you sound like mind-numbed robot-like knee-jerk neofascist ~ you are only imagining yourself to be a patriotic American Conservative.

You vote for Romney you'll wake up to reality almost immediately when his MIttbots begin disposing of the sheep in his flock first.

97 posted on 08/03/2012 8:50:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Perdogg
Hey, perdogg, weren't you told numerous times in the past this is NOT a Republican board ~ it's a Conservative board.

Conservatives are not locked into the Republican coalition ~ and can do what they want when the party goes against all Conervative and Christian principles.

98 posted on 08/03/2012 8:52:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You can be for Romney, for obama or for God!
You cannot be for all three, or just two in that list. Pick one.

You are not God’s spokesman. Do not pretend to know God’s Will nor the heart of any man.

Your class warfare makes it clear you’re another person jealous of those who acquire wealth. Return that attitude to Lib Land - it’s got no place here, champ.

99 posted on 08/03/2012 8:53:07 AM PDT by Longdriver
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To: SnakebiteJones
Weren't they using the Mormon threads to attack non-Mormons? That's a violation of the standards set up for non-ecumenical religion threads. You have to leave other folks' religions alone in the discussions there.

Anyway, the anti-mormons keep it all out in the open.

You might want to go check with JR on that particular point before you get deleted for misconstruing what went on.

100 posted on 08/03/2012 8:55:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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