Skip to comments.Our Odds of Beating Obama Are Better By Dumping Mitt in a Brokered Convention
Posted on 08/02/2012 7:46:37 PM PDT by rightjb
147 Degrees West (@147DW) has done a wonderful job of putting together the success rate of nominees wrought from a brokered convention. The conclusion: Odds of Beating Obama Are Better By Dumping Mitt.
Many automatically assume that Mitt Romney is the presumptive nominee of the Republican party, and that the Tampa convention will end up being nothing more than a Guthy-Renker Romney infomercial.
That will be news to the Lawyers for Ron Paul who have filed a little covered Federal, civil rights lawsuit, against the GOP and many state GOP parties for election fraud on behalf of the Romney campaign. And yes; although it's no where near the extent of fraud conducted by the Obama campaign in 2008 (or even this year), it has occurred blatantly. In many states including Maine, Missouri, Massachusetts, Oklahoma (and even Puerto Rico) votes went unrecorded or delegates were excluded from caucuses.
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Go vote for Obama and protest the nominee. You sound like a spoiled child holding its’ breath to get its’ way
“God told us CLEARLY:
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall HUMBLE themselves, and PRAY, and SEEK MY FACE, and TURN FROM THERE WICKED WAYS; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and WILL HEAL THEIR LAND.
Instead, we are asked to vote with the political party that cheated and lied and for a man who is like Ahaz/Manasseh, who thought it was ok to kill innocent babies and took the things of God that was sacred (altar/tabernacle) and desecrate. Just like the people who want to take marriage and desecrate it by allowing homosexual marriage. Government did not give us marriage; God did. I am finishing a book on Ahaz, Hezekiah and Manasseh (Chronicles of the Kings) could not believe the parallels we are facing today.”
Well done. I am surprised that more American “conservatives” have not made this connection as well. In truth, we are looking to politics instead of looking to God, and we are embracing dreams of returning to a former American glory even while we not only TOLERATE evil, we EMBRACE it for political expediency. And as a result we are suffering for it. The scripture you quoted has been ringing in my ears, and it ought to ring in the ears of every American who claims to be a Christian. Even the origins of our nation has nothing whatever to do with our own actions, but with the blessings of God. Washington, certainly, wasn’t dodging bullets (they were punching holes through his coats!) because he was just LUCKY.
This is a call to action for all Christians to fervently preach the Gospel, to pray to God and humble ourselves. Outside of this, we are doomed.
I just dont get it.
Truer words have never been written
Agree, Romney will not get our vote here either. My days of supporting super wealthy leftist political insiders are flat out done.
No, but I’m flattered to be mistaken for him.
You folks need to understand the difference between the primaries and the general election. There are two candidates now, it’s either the Kenyan or the Mormon, that’s it
I think Obama is the bigger spiritual problem at this moment in time, and I can’t see how conservatives are going to benefit by four more years of him in the White House, or how conservative “dignity” will be better off. Like the old saying goes, “Don’t cut of your nose to spite your face.” By acting in any way that allows Obama to win, conservatives are spiting themselves. Why work to elect conservatives and Republicans into Congress, and limit them by giving them someone who won’t work with them? How is giving the election to Obama justice? Do you honestly think the Tea Party people going into Congress would prefer to work with Obama? Do you think God is going to look more favorably upon America when Obama is back in the White House? If you do, you are not a conservative, but a Democrat troll, dragging God into your angry attack on others. If you are truly concerned with the spiritual sickness of this nation, and working to bring this nation back to God, why are you slugging it out with politics. Follow Christ in your life, for real, not as a political statement. Practice generosity, love and kindness to your neighbors and strangers. Live your life with humility, gentleness and moral example, trusting in Christ, not politics. In the end it won’t matter who we pick as our political leaders, not if the culture continues to collapse around us, and politics won’t fix the culture, but Christians can. Do you see that happening? Which political leader do you see bringing that about? Watch out.
Romney is not a savior, and Obama is certainly not a savior, though he thinks he is. The Tea Party is not a savior. What there is right now is a choice between two evils, and like it or not, I think Romney is the lesser one. He may even turn out to be better than I think he will, but very little he ends up doing will rival the evil Obama can bestow upon us. So, as either a conservative or a Republican, I’m supporting him. I wish there was something better to do, but I don’t see it. The very best thing I can do for this country, politically speaking, is help get rid of Obama, and the only way that is going to happen is through Romney. When conservatives and Republicans can get their act together, and give me a better candidate to support, one that has a chance of winning the political game, as well as principles game, not to mention the primaries, I’m all in. This isn’t that time, obviously, just like last time wasn’t that time, grievously. Meanwhile, vote for whomever you please, for whomever gives you peace of mind, the surety of justice, sense of honor or spiritual hope. If your vote helps Obama win, feel good about your decision while this nation crumbles beyond repair. Good on ya’ brother.
No matter your feelings about the chances of winning, dropping Mittens is the only way for the conservative movement to maintain its dignity.
Maintaining conservative dignity? How about you just make Obama President for Life and get it over with. There are no moral victories to be had here. The marxist has got to go NOW
It’s ultimately irrelevant, because either way we have evil men for leaders and we chose them, and actively campaigned for them. As for who congress would work better with, we’re actually back where we started at. Obama was elected because no one knew who he is or even what he represented. He was a big question mark full of promises and salvation. Mittens is the exact same guy. People are warning that Mittens isn’t who he represents himself to be, just like people were warning that Obama was also scum of the Earth. They ain’t listening, because America is just hooked on Hope and Change in their political leaders.
“Maintaining conservative dignity? How about you just make Obama President for Life and get it over with. There are no moral victories to be had here. The marxist has got to go NOW”
If you don’t want any moral victories, then you shouldn’t be surprised to always remain a slave.
Oh, Im sure hell probably get most of their votes, owing to their stances. But I have yet to witness a single shred of enthusiasm FOR him. Its almost surreal.
So does that mean you’ll vote for more of the same? You sound confused about the choices. There are only Two, it’s not that difficult really
So, you’re going to vote for Obama
Problem is the nation needs an underdog, a hero, a come up from behind with hopeless odds of winning type of a candidate
You and the scarecrow have the same need
Go back to wherever you crawled out of in April.
If you dont want any moral victories, then you shouldnt be surprised to always remain a slave.
Spoken like a true twit.
It has nothing to do with his being a mormon.The fact he is a flaming liberal which you fail to mention says all we want to know about you pal.
A lot of really great Freepers were kicked off the site simply because they supported a Mormon candidate. I was one of them.
***Then that makes you a retread troll, pushing a lying, baby-killing librul statist.
I’m constantly amazed at how many freepers there are that do not realize this is a conservative website, not a republican one.
Reagan and Nixon did not come out of ‘brokered’ conventions. That is pure dreaming on someones part
Just think of the commercials. I didn't vote for Romney, but I will, and would be ashamed of a party that took away a legitimate nominee selected by the people, like it or not.
And just exactly which candidate do you want to replace Romney?
Oh, simple math tells you that not voting for Romney does not increase Obama’s vote by one. No I am not voting for either obama or romney.
People in this country are running around trying to find a king or savior to get them out of the mess we are in. They are trusting mere “men” and evil men at that, thinking they will save us. We are in so deep that it will take an act of God and turning to him help us. You are not trusting God when you make an alliance with evil.
Woe to the rebellious children, says the Lord, who take counsel, but not of Me,
And who devise plans, but not of My Spirit.... and have not asked My advice....
1980 was not a brokered convention. Reagan was the leader in the primaries and won the nomination on the first ballot at the convention. All the others were prior to the modern primary system and are not comparable in any way to what you propose.
You’re free to argue that the Republican Party ought to try to replace Mitt, but try to stay tethered to reality.
There is no historical precedent for using the convention to subvert the will of primary voters. And without any historical precedent, it’s difficult to imagine the idea as anything other than politically suicidal.
here’s another spoiled child that won’t be voting for that POS either.
Meanwhile, back in the zone of reality..
Romney has more than enough delegates to secure the nomination. He`s the guy going forward, and either he or Obama will win on the night of 6 Nov or the next morning.
I don`t much like Romney, either, and the odds are heavily against him pulling off the upset (Intrade has his odds dropping back into the 30s). But, he`s the candidate the Republicans wanted, and..much as we`d like things to be different... they aren`t.
Couldn’t agree on notRomney candidate in the primaries and nothing has changed.
Brokered conventions these days are perhaps possible when you have two very close candidates without a majority.
I don’t think you could get 50% + 1 for one alternative candidate even here on FR.
Plus they’d have to start a national general election campaign from zero.
My excitement at giving Obama and the Chicago thugs the boot is off the charts!!
Hurry November and Chick-Fil-A Barrack!
Yeah.. I`m sure that`s what Gov. Walker strives for.. having his life and family turned upside down with yet another election campaign.
Where’s your proof that he cares more about his money than you care about your money or Barack and Michelle care about their money or anybody that has money cares about his/her money?
FYI, most people I know that have money, including myself, care a lot about their money.
I keep asking this and no one answers. Tell me whom you are for and not whom you are against. Give me a name. Who do you suggest we replace Romney?
My point is that today, August 3, the deal is not done. We have not been saddled with Romney until the gavel comes down at the convention, and currently, Tea Party conservatism is enjoying more momentum than we have had since Reagan. Let’s try to pull this out.
An e-convention can be organized in a matter of days with the internet resources that conseervatives have developed. Put a conservatve name on the floor, raise awareness, make an appeal to the delegations from each state and see if we can get a conservative on the ballot. Even if the effort fails, I bet we get a conservative VP to carry the banner against Obama.
If the effort fails- we are no worse off than we are right now, but we will have made an effort. We hold our noses, vote for Romney and that is that, but when has conservatism meant not trying?
Who is this conservative candidate that you suggest we nominate? I’d like a name, please.
Oh, and welcome to FR. I see you’ve been here a month. Who do you support?
This isnt that time, obviously, just like last time wasnt that time, grievously. Meanwhile, vote for whomever you please, for whomever gives you peace of mind, the surety of justice, sense of honor or spiritual hope. If your vote helps Obama win, feel good about your decision while this nation crumbles beyond repair. Good on ya brother.
Sanity in a thread of delusion. Who would have thought
Why would I vote for Obama? Who says I have to vote for either Romney or Obama? Oh, you’re one of those sellouts that believe that not voting for the RINO is the same as voting for Obama. Very sad that you allow yourself to be used as a tool.
No, I will support a brokered convention and although I may not hope for delegates putting Paul over the top, at least a cadre of far better candidates can be brought to the floor.
This is not the only place that I raised my concern about committed Christians who feel they are sinning by voting for Romney because of his pushing the gay agenda, abortion,...... I sent e-mails to some Christian orgs. that I trusted for many years asking what we are do do, because like me, many feel it is wrong to vote for someone who DID things that even Obama had not done before he was president. One org really surprised me and said outright we don't have any choices and was flip-that org is not one that spoke a lot about God, but was purely pro-life and clearly did not care what romney ever did. Others gave me the form letter that they can't tell people who to vote for. One place, the one that I trusted the most, had an assistant answer me in a very personal letter. I'm sure they knew they had to be very careful about endorsements or the opposite. They said they had heard from lots of people who raised similar concerns reminded me to trust God. They directed me to an arm of there org that deals a lot with these issues. It said when all choices are bad to skip that person, write in a name, but vote the rest of the ticket.
There are a lot of us who want what if right for our country and feel we got into this social downhill descent because people compromised (democrats years ago) what they believed and voted for the person with the “D” behind their name. The DNC seen that these people will do whatever they say, even if it's wrong; and that is why the left is like it is today. The RNC turned into the party who stood with God. They know they can't come right out and say we are not fighting the social fights anymore, so they needed someone who was willing to lie and convince people he was conservative, then cover for that person as much as they can. This is why conservative candidates were screaming about what Romney DID in MA. You also had the brave souls who issued a letter outlining all that romney did in MA and how he has gone back and forth on being pro-life/pro-gay marriage & adoption. Look at the names of some of these people who signed this letter:
Judge Ned Kirby (ret.), former Assistant Minority Leader, Massachusetts Senate
Atty. Edgar Kelley, former Assistant United States Attorney, Massachusetts District
Dr. William Greene, President, RightMarch.com
Dr. Ted Baehr, Chairman, Christian Film and Television Commission
Linda Harvey, President, Mission America*
Gary Glenn, President, American Family Association of Michigan*
Michael Heath, Executive Director, Christian Civic League of Maine*
Ray Neary, Director, Pro-Life Massachusetts (former President, Massachusetts Citizens for Life)
John OGorman, Member of the Board of Directors, Massachusetts Citizens for Life
Peter LaBarbera, Founder, Republicans For Family Values; President, Americans for Truth*
Diane Gramley, President, American Family Association of Pennsylvania
John Haskins, The Parents Rights Coalition
Gregg Jackson, Co-host, Pundit Review, author: Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies, contributor, TownHall.com,
William Cotter, President, Operation Rescue: Boston*
Brian Camenker, President, MassResistance
Mark Charalambous, Spokesman, CPF-Fatherhood Coalition, Massachusetts
Nedd Kareiva, President, Stop the ACLU Coalition
Phillip Magnan, President, Biblical Family Advocates
Rev. Earle Fox, D. Phil, (Oxford), President, Road to Emmaus, School of Judeo-Christian Apologetics (www.theroadtoemmaus.org)
Janet Folger, author, columnist, President, Faith2Action
Michael W. Calsetta, Former President, Conservative Democratic Alliance
Allyson Smith, Director, Americans for Truth-California*
There has been many godly leaders, during the primary, who tried to warn people and they were viciously attacked by the media on the right as well as right here on FR. Many people here defended this Romney (it was common knowledge that the mormon church sent people not only to polling places to work, but to all the blogs, to do their duty and get this man elected) We had those who said they were for a certain candidate other than Romney, but ONLY attacked conservative candidates. Never Romney. When it looked like Romney won they jumped on the band wagon so quickly your head spun. They spewed such hate at anyone who did not like romney, it was sad. A few of realized that they were for romney the whole time. I caught one them lying because I knew what this person was doing and cut and pasted some older comments they made and watched what they were saying on later comments. Of course many of these people disappeared from here after it looked like romney won. I should say they changed there names. Romney had been running for president so long, he knew what to do, and where to go to reach the conservatives. Problem was many are committed to God and not a political party. I guess he reasoned he sold out his beliefs for power and we would too. .
To answer your question, what do we do now. Many people have been praying for a miracle at the convention. At this point most conservatives will take anyone who is truly pro-life and will stop gay marriage and socialized medicine....... That is why I am not asking God for a certain person, but a man or women who has done what is right and will fight for what is right. I'm tired of telling God what to do. He knows what we need, and hopefully it's not punishment; although this nation deserves it.
In the mid 70’s there was a spiritual awakening that spread though this country and really hit the colleges. We saw what the sixties brought and people were turning to God in repentance. Those years of praying, repenting and turning to God did work. In 1980 we got a godly man: Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately, the left used marxist tactics to bring us abortion, free love, the beginning of the collapse of the family. The gays are doing the exact same thing the left did in the 70’s to get abortion. Intimidation, protest.....the same thing satan always has done. If you can't sweet talk them into sin, intimidate them. God help this country if we think Romney is our answer to the problem of Obama. I will not be online for a while as we had a death in the family. Next week.
Not gonna happen. Mitt is the nominee and likely the next President of the USSA.
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in a foreign country it's because they want them in a foreign country ...
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.
Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
My money is on Romney dropping his campaign before he shows his 2007, 2008 and 2009 income tax returns.
He may have suffered massive losses in the derivatives market collapse, and simply carried them forward and back as far as the law allowed ~ thereby giving himself some serious money in refunds from the federales (although he did suffer some losses).
This would be similar to the trick GE used to avoid paying any income taxes at all during that same period ~ not that they didn’t do anything illegal, but they got some whopping big refunds from “overwithholding” ~ Bwahahahahahahah!!!!
McCain saw NONE of that stuff!
Frankly, I think he’s a rich guy who cares more for his money than anything else ~ but we shall see, eh.
Take your class warfare claptrap back to DU, libtard!!!
Still good advice.
BTW, the convention hasn't been held yet ~ your boy is still just a wannabee candidate. He, and you , are still fair game in politics ~ on the Republican side.
While brokering a convention it’s inappropriate to stick to one guy or gal. We are not, after all, Mittbots!
Romney is hardly ‘my boy’.
But your class-warfare shilling makes it clear that the current Chief Chimp is YOUR boy!!
Romney fought like hell to eliminate all conservative opposition in the primaries. Now he is acting like a nice guy moderate get-along. He is phony and the sheeple know it. Even though Obama is a socialist, he is a real socialist and the sheeple like to see strength of conviction. By default a moderate cannot have strong convictions. There is the rub.
I value the welfare of the people of the United States enough to let it all hang out.
Now with a guy like Romney, he seems unwilling to do that ~ but you may know better. Ask him next time you see him. Ask him what it's worth to run for President?
You cannot be for all three, or just two in that list. Pick one.
You vote for Romney you'll wake up to reality almost immediately when his MIttbots begin disposing of the sheep in his flock first.
Conservatives are not locked into the Republican coalition ~ and can do what they want when the party goes against all Conervative and Christian principles.
You can be for Romney, for obama or for God!
You cannot be for all three, or just two in that list. Pick one.
You are not God’s spokesman. Do not pretend to know God’s Will nor the heart of any man.
Your class warfare makes it clear you’re another person jealous of those who acquire wealth. Return that attitude to Lib Land - it’s got no place here, champ.
Anyway, the anti-mormons keep it all out in the open.
You might want to go check with JR on that particular point before you get deleted for misconstruing what went on.
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