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To: Earthdweller
Elect the flaming liberal, "R" so the Republican party can be officially and finally liberal. Then we can be even more like Europe...socialists vs socialist light.

OMG, are you are living in fantasy land? What do you think the REALISTIC alternative is? It's either going to be Obama or Romney. That's it!

If you vote for anybody but Romney your essentially voting for Obama. Yeah, that's what we need!! NOT! And I disagree totally with your premise, we lose the GOP for Good. We already LOST the GOP, we have to fight another day to get it back. Think about this election and what it would really mean if Obama is elected!

Thanks for the compliment!

174 posted on 07/08/2012 8:16:18 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth; Earthdweller
What do you think the REALISTIC alternative is?

EDweller, isn't it so ironic that the folks who are indulging in the fantasy that Romney wouldn't be so bad, are claiming that they are the "realists"?

Then, these so-called "realists" indulge in the mathematical and material (both) fallacy that "if you vote for anybody but Romney, you're essentially voting for Obama." It is numerically false and illustrates the worst kind of entitlement thinking.

These so-called "realists" gamble that sanctioning as the most powerful Republican in the U.S. and the most powerful American in the world, a guy with a demonstrated record of advancing every single major liberal agenda we've been voting GOP all these years to oppose, would somehow make room to "fight another day to get the GOP back."

When all these self-described "realists" faced the real reality, they would find that they had decimated their own troops for fighting "another day."

We face a most unusual and fortunate blessing: Obama is despised by many of those who supported him last time, so there is very little chance he could ever get a majority, so of all years to risk third party tactics, THIS year is one. Unless a miracle happens (and they do happen!) to prevent an O v R contest, there is only ONE WAY a conservative can use his presidential vote to help the conservatives he'll vote for downticket.

That is to vote official third party (mathematically and materially neutral with regard to favoring either Obama or Romney) to help split the popular vote into a plurality so that the winner, be it Obama or Romney, is opposed by the majority of voters, conspicuously lacks a mandate, and is put on defense. The last time a president "won" when 57% of Americans voted against him -- Clinton in '92 -- he was so vulnerable that Congress revolted to the benefit of his opposing party, the Republicans. The Republican Revolution would probably never have happened if Clinton had won with a majority or if HW had been re-elected.

THAT is Realville. Subscribing to the ol' "Hope he'll change" rationale to support voting for Romney, is diving head-first into Fantasyland.

179 posted on 07/08/2012 10:32:14 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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