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Rubio charms Iowa crowd, tries to reframe his Dream Act alternative as 'humanitarian' concern
TampaBay.com.( blogs ) ^ | May 10, 2012 | Alex Leary

Posted on 05/10/2012 8:02:03 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

As he walked into the Washington Court Hotel today, Sen. Marco Rubio was greeted by members of a business group from Des Moines. "Hopefully you'll see more of Iowa," a woman told him. Rubio laughed. Pictures were taken.

Wink, wink.

But as he charmed his guests, Rubio also delivered a lengthy and substantive speech about U.S. policy and his vision of American exceptionalism. "If we decline, who rises?" he asked a room full of Democrats and Republicans. A question and answer session that followed pulled out the news of the day when the subjected turned to immigration.

Rubio sought to recast his Dream Act alternative as a "humanitarian" concern, not an immigration one.

His rhetorical twist seems designed to tamp down growing concern over his proposal by the right, which has espoused a "border-first" approach and sees any help for illegals as amnesty. Rubio, who stressed his proposal does not create a new pathway to citizenship, also accused Democrats of opposing a compromise so they can use the full Dream Act as an election issue. But the challenge seems more within his party.

(Excerpt) Read more at tampabay.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; dreamact; immigration; rinorubio; rubio
We do have hundreds of thousands of young people in this country that entered without any fault of their own and if we have a chance to allow them to get right what their parents got wrong, and if we can do it in a way that doesn't encourage illegal immigration in the future, we should consider that. Wishful thinking and -still do NOT see the parents should be arrested and deported.
1 posted on 05/10/2012 8:02:15 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Is Rubio tone deaf?

Rubio should SHUT UP about amnesty. Not reframe it. Not call it something else. SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

Then, forget about it entirely.

Good grief.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 8:06:08 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Vote for the straight guy.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"If we decline, who rises?"

I'd like to see that question put to Obama in a debate or presser.

3 posted on 05/10/2012 8:16:10 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: moonshinner_09

Romney could actually beat Obama if he wanted to, but he seems more interested in pandering to the Left where he has very little chance of winning votes.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 8:21:19 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: moonshinner_09

What I like most about Rubio is that he is able to put it in the face of the media no matter what they throw at him.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 8:25:26 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: iowamark

Romney could actually beat Obama if he wanted to, but he seems more interested in pandering to the Left where he has very little chance of winning votes.
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This.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 8:33:41 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: moonshinner_09

There is no way to do anything for these people which doesn’t encourage future illegals.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 8:38:10 PM PDT by Daralundy
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To: moonshinner_09

Rubio sought to recast his Dream Act alternative as a “humanitarian” concern, not an immigration one.

“Let’s say we call a dog’s tail a leg.
How many legs does it have then?

It still has four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”
A. Lincoln to a jury, borrowing from a dead Greek who taught that calling a mule a horse doesn’t make it a horse. He won.

We’re not as think as you drunk we are. Nice try though, Marco. Back to the drawing boards .....


8 posted on 05/10/2012 8:56:09 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: moonshinner_09; mickie
Rubio has an email addy on his web site. Send him a message. I did the other day. While I was polite, my message to him as one of his constituents was strongly worded.

I informed him I would be part of a future Tea Party movement if he continued with his "Dream Act" crap.

Looks like he's backtracking a little now. I really think the emails have been having an effect. Please take a minute now to send off a blue dart to him in case he's falling asleep again. I believe the messages are working.

Leni

9 posted on 05/10/2012 9:08:10 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: moonshinner_09

“We do have hundreds of thousands of young people in this country that entered without any fault of their own and if we have a chance to allow them to get right what their parents got wrong, and if we can do it in a way that doesn’t encourage illegal immigration in the future, we should consider that.”


While not reality, let’s extend your argument by a factor of 1000. Are you also ok with hundreds of MILLIONS of young people being naturalized because, even though they’re illegal, it’s not their fault?

To do so would completely and immediately change the U.S. from America into a hodge podge of Mexico plus Latin American states. You and your vote would lose all meaning.

Your argument is the old “a little bit pregnant” discussion.


10 posted on 05/10/2012 9:10:39 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: MinuteGal

I sent the same e-mail to Senator R. Luger about two years ago.
I got a weasel-worded response and gave him my answer Tuesday.


11 posted on 05/10/2012 9:15:03 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Yeah, sure, we need more democrat voters!

If you want to be "humanitarian" do something to keep American kids safe from a marxist state!

12 posted on 05/10/2012 9:40:51 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: moonshinner_09
And how old was Rubio when the famed yet dreaded Simpson-Mazzoli Act went through 25 years ago and that was to be the LAST time we were going to have to swallow the bitter pill of amnesty/regularization and for humanitarian purposes put it all behind us. Here is an idea: Close the FRIKKIN SOUTHERN BORDER completely, hermetically FIRST from Gulf to Ocean, before ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT LEGAL STATUS are made about people on our soil here out of legal immigration status. Dig that Senator??!! Listen to the base, Pretty Boy. And DO NOT PISS US OFF. LEARN FROM YOUR COLLEAGUE RICHARD LUGAR THAT OUR LOVE IS NOT UNCONDITIONAL. YOU ARE HERE TO SERVE US AND OUR LAWS, GOT IT??!! THOSE ARE YOUR ORDERS. THAT IS ALL. CARRY ON.

13 posted on 05/10/2012 10:19:17 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (The FR - Commandante Hugo Chavez Death BETTING POOL is now officially ON!!!)
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To: Rembrandt
To do so would completely and immediately change the U.S. from America into a hodge podge of Mexico plus Latin American states. You and your vote would lose all meaning.

You nailed it. Only an idiot can't see that is exactly what would happen. The third world mentality and culture would take over and truly destroy America as we know it.

I saw a video shortly after Rubio was elected. I knew instantly that he was a conservative fraud. He let the cat out the bag that he is for citizenship for ALL who are here illegally. He quickly realized he stepped in it and has been trying to backtrack ever since.

He tries to wrap the amnesty garbage in all types of nice packaging. He knows that the RINOs and RATs will take any proposal and morph it into essentially full amnesty. And the fact is that Rubio has no problem with that at all.

Many of the Conservative leaders on the scene today do not have 1/1000 of the love of Liberty and respect of Individual rights that our Founders held sacred. These Conservatives are what I call "technocratic Conservatives."

They can speak all the right words and sound so wonderful, but when push comes to shove on major issues, they go off weakly with their panties in a wad. Three I can name off the top of my head are: Rubio, Ryan, and Jindal.

America's true leaders are not yet known. They will rise to the call when the left and the GOP-e has taken our Republic to the bottom. Let's just say that real men will rise up and show these girlie men how it's done.

14 posted on 05/10/2012 11:25:02 PM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: tumblindice
At least you got an answer from Lugar, albeit weasel-y.

I never even got a stock reply from Rubio or his office....and I live in his state.

Leni

15 posted on 05/11/2012 3:55:59 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: moonshinner_09
Rubio sought to recast his Dream Act alternative as a "humanitarian" concern, not an immigration one.

Rubio was hailed as a darling of the Republican Party and Conservatism without any vetting - in a way those who elevated him did so in a way that is similar to Affirmative Action...

16 posted on 05/11/2012 4:43:55 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: sand88

“I saw a video shortly after Rubio was elected. I knew instantly that he was a conservative fraud.”

I posted a reply in response to Moonshinner’s comment; you took my comment completely out of context to attempt to make your alternative point. I am in Rubio’s corner. I’m pretty sure that’s a different corner than you occupy.


17 posted on 05/11/2012 7:50:17 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Rembrandt
I am in Rubio’s corner. I’m pretty sure that’s a different corner than you occupy.

That's fine. At one time I was 100% behind Rubio. On a few occasions his statements gave me great pause. On one particular speech the tone and passion in his voice told me that he will someday somehow be for amnesty (although not directly -- but as a natural end result of his position).

Nothing would be better than to be proven wrong.

18 posted on 05/11/2012 8:39:31 PM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: Daralundy
I agree with you totally. We should not do anything for them, they created the problem for themselves and for us. People who came here as young children should go to immigration lawyers, paying out of their own pockets. No more paternalistic amnesties. We need to make it difficult for them, let them clear out of the country in large enough numbers to really make a difference and then they will learn their lesson and we will stop others from trying to break into our country.

Families will be split—so what. Isn't that what happens to families of ALL immigrants including the legal ones? We have been sold a bill of goods by the illegal alien lobby.

19 posted on 05/16/2012 10:05:59 AM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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