Posted on 04/14/2012 4:15:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
But Stand Your Ground is tried how?
Preliminary hearing with only a preponderance of evidence required to show Zimmerman acted in self defense?
Two witnesses saw Martin on top of Zimmerman.
Isn’t that game over?
Bingo!
I believe in FL the judge is required to instruct on LIOs.
Zimmerman said “okay” when told to stop pursuit and headed back to his vehicle.
Martin, instead of going to the place where he was staying, doubled back to confront and punch Zimmerman.
Zimmerman had solved four burglaries two weeks earlier through his efforts.
Zimmerman said Martin was acting suspicious - not on the sidewalk? Looking in windows?
Martin was busted at school and suspended for possession of stolen property.
Martin became the aggressor and was on top of Zimmerman. The gun was exposed and Martin reached for it. That’s when he was shot.
Self defense and the witnesses back it up.
You’re suppose to WHINE!!..
Romney voters might agree with that...
Go Romney!
That is the exact argument he is making!
Based on the fact that he was physically attacked after he had returned to his truck, it is self-defense.
The confrontation seems to have occurred because Martin thought Zimmerman "dissed" him by watching what he was doing. Depending on who is on the jury, there may be jurors who think that that justified Martin attacking Zimmerman and telling him that he was going to kill him (as Zimmerman apparently claims happened).
Problem is a Judge tossing the case, even for legitimate grounds = riots.
Blacks suffered worse under Obama than any demographic. Look at the unemplyement rates and net worth of black families.
What are Rats to do?
Manufacture a “war on women” and a “war on blacks” to scare and fool their voter base.
Even in the case of duly sworn police officers, there is no generalized obligation to obey police officers.
Laws narrowly prescribe those circumstances in which a police officer is legally allowed to order citizens around, such as for purposes of regulating traffic.
It's what distinguishes us from a police state (at least in theory).
The idea that progressives believe a police dispatcher has some sort of legal authority to order around citizens says all you need to know about progressives.
“Because he initiated the chase, he can not avail himself of self-defense.”
I gather you are not familiar with Florida law...
This is a widely disseminated LIE. The 911 transcript clearly shows Zimmerman was given no order, no warning. Answering affirmatively that he was following, he was only told this: "Ok. We don't need you to do that.
That is no order. That is no warning. There is nothing to obey. That is not even a request not to follow.
Wasn’t it another line he called? Not 911. ?
I read that on a thread here.
In most cases this wouldn’t reach a court; in this case I can’t wait to see what Judge they arranged to help the prosecution.
Was listening to dad’s TV while I do some chores. Think he may have it on CNN. Commentator caught my ear while talking about this case. Referred to witnesses changing their stories from the initial interview done by the police, the night of the incident. (Bet we know who he was talking about.)
He specifically mentioned the person changed statement to it was a “young boy” yelling for help.
Wait till the videos come out of the 6’3” hooded kid. Surprise! Surprise! (I assume his voice had changed....LOL)
"776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force."
Self-defense still applies. If you punch someone in the mouth, they can punch you back. If they start beating your head against a desk (or sidewalk), then they are using lethal force to respond to your non-lethal attack.
Even if Zimmerman 'provoked' Martin by using racial slurs or shoving him, he would retain the right to self-defense if he reasonably believes the force Martin is using is now at lethal or great bodily harm level in response. A punch in the nose isn't lethal force - but pounding a head against concrete can be.
For Obama to be re-elected—Zimmerman must die. He will not survive in jail. An all black jury will convict him. Zimmerman is finished—even if innocent he will be sacrificed upon the altar of politics and mob rule. Think, Joan of Arc.
Based on my current knowledge of the facts, I’d currently vote to acquit, were I on the jury. However, I’m not at all committed to that position, and could be persuaded otherwise.
That said, I think this is one of those rare cases where a public trial must happen. There is no other way to ‘clear the air,’ and Zimmerman would greatly benefit by having the evidence publicly presented (and legally vetted by the prosecution’s failed attempts to refute it) that clearly exonerates him—assuming that’s what it will do.
Zimmerman said he was returning to his truck. Can you prove he wasn't?
How did Zimmerman get the bloody nose?
How did he get the wet grass stains on his back?
How did he get the cut on the back of his head?
If he was sucker punched from the back and the “boy” was straddling him and pounding his head on the sidewalk do you contend Zimmerman should have asked nicely “Please get off me?”
I know that your prosecutor's’ hat means you are trying any way to charge him so he will ask for a plea deal, but why is that “Justice”.
That's funny, because CNN is the venue that featured this witness as providing startling new information.
-- Wait till the videos come out of the 6'3" hooded kid. --
O'Mara is pretty tall, and really looks it standing next to Zimmerman. I wonder how tall O'Mara is. Put him in a Trayvon Martin Memorial Hoodie, and see what sort of impression that gives the viewer.
That is not true. A police dispatcher can not issue a lawful order and even so, there was no order and it is not ever clear Zimmerman disobeyed.
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