Posted on 04/02/2012 8:55:54 AM PDT by careyb
Edited on 04/02/2012 9:19:23 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The set of Morning Joe was lively this morning with a debate between Sen. Ron Johnson and Zeke Emmanuel, a former White House Advisor for Health Policy. The debate, unsururprisingly, was about the effectiveness of ObamaCare.
At first, Sen. Johnson started off a little slow. In responding to Steve Rattner's chart, pointing out the all-too-familiar liberal rant that "millions will lose healthcare if ObamaCare is overturned", he stumbled a bit.
But after that it was game on.
Emmanuel tried to make the case for the individual mandate by claiming that it is not government healthcare, but private healthcare, as it puts people under coverage by private health insurance companies. This ignores the fact that once the government mandates that you purchase insurance then a) it's not a legal contract because it's coerced and b) the government has a foot in the door to further regulate these "private" insurance companies.
Of course, when Emmanuel made the absurd claim that the mandate was necessary to lower the cost of premiums, Johnson shot back: "But premiums are not down!". He followed this with an "oh, they're going to go down" bit of snark.
Johnson continued by asking how anyone can say ObamaCare is private when it is going to cost the government $2.4 trillion over a decade. In asking this, he brought some of his own charts to counter those of the all-too-familiar Steve Rattner.
"It was an utter fiction that this was going to reduce the deficit," Sen. Johnson stated flatly.
And what was Steve Rattner's reply? "That is a legitimate point."
Of course it is.
Why do ALL 300 MILLION of us have to suffer this hideous law so that they can insure the 15million who don't have it or don't want it?
Do something for them and leave the remaining 285million people alone
Our plant's health insurance would be considerably lower if we could jettison the state's mandate that we have to provide gold plated coverage for winos and druggies even though you have to pass a drug and sobriety test to get a job here in the first place.
And the state mandates are just chicken feed compared to what ObaMao and Sibelius have in mind.
Ron Johnson does not “destroy” Zeke Emanual’s arguments here at all. He lets him get away with a lot of falsehoods about what is happening right now to the private health insurance market. Very frustrating to watch.
Open up the old abandoned hospitals for those who don’t want to pay for medical insurance or can’t (illegals) and staff them with premed students and nursing students. Bandaids and aspirin will go far for these patients. Pour some dirt from Mexico on the floor of the delivery room and tell those sows who show up with their water having just broke that they are still in Mexico and will not be entitled to US citizenship for their little bastards.
They HAVE to go to these clinics to be treated - ER visits, surgeries, etc- and if they show up at a regular hospital for those with insurance, they will have to wait for an ambulance to transport them when they show they can pay for it. When THEY have hours to week long waits, maybe they will revisit not having insurance or will think of going back to MEXICO.
Let us who have sacrificed for decades, paying for our insurance be allowed to have the healthcare we have paid for. I just don’t recall free healthcare in our Constitution, the Bill of Rights or even the Declaration of Independence.
Sorry, I can not accept that as an argument.
The productive half of the populace is already footing the bill for the unproductive/underproductive half of the population for way too many things.
It is way over due for the productive half of the population to rebel against this immoral and unconstitutional confiscation of wealth for redistribution to the unproductive.
Yes. It's way over due but these people will not rebel. It boggles the mind. Someone of the likes of Rick Santelli needs to light the torch but the productive half will not do such on their own as individuals.
If the non-productive parasites get too demanding and/or threatening, the rest of the country will rise up. And they are getting more demanding and threatening every day. Americans will take a certain amount of cr@p up to a point, and then they react strongly. Just ask the Amerinds, the Germans, and the Japanese.
The crazy train of debt that the US has been riding is coming to the end of the line real soon.
The US has run up a national debt that has allowed the US to live beyond its means just as the European Democratic/Socialist nations have. Soon we will be in same circumstances as Europe; too much debt and no way to pay it off. We will have riots in the streets when the crazy train runs off the rails at the end of the line.
The US economy simply can not produce enough in taxes to support the government benefits already enacted. How can we possibly support the trillions of dollars that Obamacare will cost? The lending nations of the world will not keep supplying the US with dollars indefinitely once it becomes clear that we can not possibly repay those debts.
the Tea Party movement is an example of this to certain degree but I don’t think it will go much further than this.
The middle class has become the recipient class as well. The don’t realize that these little treats that government gives them cost them much more that they are worth. These treats like Pell Grants are slave chains and the middle class does not see them for what they are.
The politicians wrap our chains in silk and call them pillows and we believe them.
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