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True, there is no iron-clad evidence that Barry was adopted by Soetoro, but it has been reported his half-sister Maya said her father had adopted Barry. There are also the Soetoro divorce papers of 1980 in which it is stated there are two children - one child over age 18 and therefore not requiring court consideration regarding support; the other a minor child who did require court consideration regarding support. Surely not indisputable evidence, but just as surely indicative that Lolo Soetoro had some kind of legal relationship with Barry. If Soetoro didn’t, there would be no reason for him to be mentioned in the legal documents as one of the children of the divorcing couple.

Although step-children in our country do commonly go by the step-father’s name without having been adopted, we don’t know that such would have been allowed in Indonesia, which at the time was in horrific political upheaval. Lolo could very well have been lying, but in the INS docs re: Lolo which were released last year under an FOIA request, he was trying desperately to get the INS to allow him to remain in the US. He was afraid of returning to Indonesia because of the political minefield there, and because the type of work he did [oil industry] would require him to be under direct control of the government. Since Indonesian law was that to attend Indonesian government schools children had to be Indonesian citizens, and considering the political climate, it seems unlikely Soetoro would risk repercussions to himself by doing something illegal. It would seem he’d be careful to not put at risk his chances of being allowed to return to the US for further schooling.

As for Barry having an Indonesian passport - I agree it was most likely the case, and that the 2008 ‘tampering’ of his passport file was part of his concerted effort to rid that file of the incriminating evidence of his coming back into the US on an Indonesian passport.

Another thing about Indonesia - it’s my understanding [can’t cite the Indo. constitution] that one cannot have an Indonesian passport without being an Indonesian citizen. the problem for Barry regarding potential scenario is that Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship. You couldn’t be an American citizen and possess an Indonesian passport. IF that is the scenario of Barry’s hidden past, the only way he could now be a US citizen is by having been naturalized after attaining legal age.

One thing IS for certain: it’s one huge, stinking mess of lies and of “potential scenarios” that anger and frustrate us no end!

You’re very quick and bright, and I always look for your comments.

IF that is the scenario of Barry’s hidden past, the only way he could now be a US citizen is by having been naturalized after attaining legal age.

If someone is born a U.S. citizen, they cannot, under U.S. law, lose that citizenship other than by a voluntary renunciation after age 18. Indonesian law can say that he lost his U.S. citizenship, his father and mother could have renounced his citizenship for him, he would still be a U.S. citizen under U.S. law.

Is Lolo dead?

There are also the Soetoro divorce papers of 1980 in which it is stated there are two children - one child over age 18 and therefore not requiring court consideration regarding support; the other a minor child who did require court consideration regarding support.

Something has been bugging me for a while. Since this is mentioned here, I will address it here.

If I've understood it correctly, there was another adopted child Lia, who died in the past couple years. I was never sure if she was adopted by Stanley Ann and Lolo while they were married.

If I recall correctly (and I might not!), the children weren't mentioned by name in the divorce papers.

Is there evidence that Stanley Ann and Lolo formally adopted Lia? How old was she at the time of the divorce? If she was formally adopted and Zero was not, could she possibly be the "one child over 18"?

(There are so many threads with so much information on these topics. I try to keep up, but it's impossible to read--or remember--it all. Apologies for going OT of the thread, but I didn't know where else to address this.)