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Postmodernism At Work
Independent Individualist ^ | Apr 29, 2008 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 04/29/2008 10:20:32 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: Hank Kerchief
Please cite anything I said that sound hysterical. This seems like reasoned discourse to me, under a barrage of ad hominem attacks no less; and your repeated failure to either address you shoddy labeling of me and Coyoteman as Postmodernists or the numerous and verifiable errors in the authors writing.

I guess it is the same old “cdesign proponentist” tactic of attacking the fundamental nature of Scientific inquiry and when Science rises to its defense crying “What are you so defensive about?”

I am defensive about the truth. Anyone who read that garbage and thought it was true would be ill served by this wonderful Internet site and make themselves look like a fool when they repeat its nonsense.

OK, off to work, and I need to stop posting at work so nothing more from me until after work.

161 posted on 05/01/2008 8:08:22 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: Hank Kerchief

Interpretation:

I did work on NF-kappa B.

(Read about it.)

I mentioned my publication (please do try to keep up)

(Afraid to say it again.)

I do lab research every day, mostly on drug metabolism.

(I wash bottles.)

I lectured at the University level for four years.

(Talked in the pub after classes.)

Hank


162 posted on 05/01/2008 8:09:43 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: allmendream

“This seems like reasoned discourse to me, under a barrage of ad hominem attacks no less; and your repeated failure to either address you shoddy labeling of me and Coyoteman as Postmodernists or the numerous and verifiable errors in the authors writing.”

Poor baby!

Hank


163 posted on 05/01/2008 8:11:50 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Typical brilliant contribution from Hank Kerchief, the intellectual content of your posts seems as valuable as what is usually deposited in a handkerchief.
164 posted on 05/01/2008 8:52:09 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: allmendream

Well young sir, you should do your homework better.

Interestingly I find only three publications on ARO9 on PubMed, and all three are out of Belgium.

I just found it !!

Oh, I didnt realise it would be there either. Thanks for the headsup


165 posted on 05/01/2008 8:54:34 AM PDT by weatherwax (Let none who might belong to himself belong to another: Agrippa)
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To: weatherwax

link it.


166 posted on 05/01/2008 9:03:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: weatherwax
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=search&db=pubmed&dispmax=20&term=ARO9%20AND%20English%20%5BLA%5D%20%20%20%20

Here is a link to the only papers I can find by searching ARO9 in PubMed. As I stated all three are out of Belgium. Also none of the authors seems to have a first name that starts with P.

167 posted on 05/01/2008 9:05:42 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: allmendream

Sigh.
You really should try to keep up.
aromatic biosynthesis occurs in most prokaryotes and some simple lower eukaryotes.
I did say what it was.
Now, try the search with the name of the organism.
And be patient.
What was the link to your latest paper again?


168 posted on 05/01/2008 9:48:09 AM PDT by weatherwax (Let none who might belong to himself belong to another: Agrippa)
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To: weatherwax

This isn’t about me and my qualifications, it is about the numerous factual errors and resume padding of the author of the “Hewitt Conjecture!!” (double exclamation points mandatory). You claim she has publication(s), please produce them.


169 posted on 05/01/2008 9:57:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: allmendream
"Reginald" has another thread of nonsense just starting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2009777/posts?page=1

This new one is even sillier than the last one.

170 posted on 05/01/2008 10:13:58 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
As long as he is not directly calling me a Postmodernists based upon his total misunderstanding of the provisional nature of Science he can have at it.

His intellectual content is on par with what is usually deposited in a handkerchief and I think it is time I bowed out of the evo/crevo debate as much as possible (unfortunately I find it nearly impossible to not try to correct blatant mischaracterizations and misstatements about Biology or Science, so that makes it difficult; as most “cdesign proponentists” have nothing but).

Maybe if we ignore this particular snott-rag the thread will die a deserved death.

But thanks for the ping! I always enjoy your posts.

171 posted on 05/01/2008 10:25:13 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: Hank Kerchief

"It wouldn’t really matter. If I design a machine that immediately goes bad on its, it’s a bad design."


But you wouldn't be designing a machine that had free choice, would you.


If man was designed to not make mistakes, he would not have free choice.


That is what makes man different from machines, man has the freedom to chose.

Machines do not.
172 posted on 05/01/2008 10:42:58 AM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Fichori

I thought we were talking about animals eating each other.


173 posted on 05/01/2008 11:42:46 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
"I thought we were talking about animals eating each other."

Perhaps we were.

Or perhaps we were talking about why a perfect design could go bad.


I guess to believe that because of man exercising his freedom to chose, he could cause a sum degradation of information, would require a belief in a higher power.
174 posted on 05/01/2008 11:55:27 AM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

“Do you consider the possibility that living things, as Designed, did not initially kill each other?”

"It wouldn’t really matter. If I design a machine that immediately goes bad on its, it’s a bad design.

Hank"


Something I should have thought of earlier but didn't.

What if the Designer is Sovereign, and knowing that the Designs would ultimately break down, degrade and make bad decisions, chose to go ahead with the Designs anyway?

What if the Designer didn't want a 'perfect machine' that would last for eternity?

What if our idea of a perfect design is not what he had in mind?

If the Designer is indeed Sovereign, would not it be his prerogative?

175 posted on 05/01/2008 12:19:01 PM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Fichori
Fichori said:

What if the Designer didn't want a 'perfect machine' that would last for eternity?

What if our idea of a perfect design is not what he had in mind?

If the Designer is indeed Sovereign, would not it be his prerogative?

Bingo Fichori!!!

Psalm 90:10 10 Seventy years are given to us! Some even live to eighty. But even the best years are filled with pain and trouble; soon they disappear, and we fly away.

176 posted on 05/01/2008 12:47:11 PM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: Ready2go

I may think as fast as Moses could talk, but by Gods grace, I get it right eventually.


177 posted on 05/01/2008 1:17:37 PM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Fichori

Fichori said:
I may think as fast as Moses could talk, but by Gods grace, I get it right eventually.

LOL...there you go Fichori.


178 posted on 05/01/2008 1:31:40 PM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: Fichori

Look, you obviously believe in ID, and I’m not interested in changing your beliefs, anymore than I’m interested in changing the evolutionists’ beliefs. (By belief I only mean what one holds to be true for whatever reason.) So please understand I’m not really arguing with your belief, only explaining mine.

To me, what you are doing is what the evolutionists do. If the evidence doesn’t exactly fit the story, you change the story.

ID bases its argument, supposedly, on the evidence, evidence that says things look like they’ve been designed and couldn’t just have happened on their own. Look at the order.

So when someone points out flaws and disorder in the design, you add “it was intended that way” to the story. But how do you get the “disorder was intended that way” from the evidence? You can’t.

So, the idea that ID somehow suggests a designer just doesn’t float, because to make it work, you have to assume the designer.

That’s how it appears to me, and the reason I cannot subscribe to it.

Hank


179 posted on 05/01/2008 2:17:52 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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"Look, you obviously believe in ID, and I’m not interested in changing your beliefs, anymore than I’m interested in changing the evolutionists’ beliefs. (By belief I only mean what one holds to be true for whatever reason.) So please understand I’m not really arguing with your belief, only explaining mine.

To me, what you are doing is what the evolutionists do. If the evidence doesn’t exactly fit the story, you change the story.

ID bases its argument, supposedly, on the evidence, evidence that says things look like they’ve been designed and couldn’t just have happened on their own. Look at the order.

So when someone points out flaws and disorder in the design, you add “it was intended that way” to the story. But how do you get the “disorder was intended that way” from the evidence? You can’t.

So, the idea that ID somehow suggests a designer just doesn’t float, because to make it work, you have to assume the designer.

That’s how it appears to me, and the reason I cannot subscribe to it.

Hank"


Understood.

I was asking questions, not 'changing the story'.

I never claimed that the designs were 'intended that way'.
I was, once again, asking questions and commented on the consequences of freedom of choice.

Yikers!

Where do you believe the 'blueprints' came from?

And what is the purpose of this and other threads you have posted?
180 posted on 05/01/2008 2:59:46 PM PDT by Fichori (Truth is one of those non-negotiable facts of life that most people cannot stand.)
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