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Posted on 04/14/2006 2:30:36 PM PDT by sit-rep
I'll make it short and sweet...
I just took the poll at the bottom of the latest posts page, and was absolutely shocked when I seen the results.
Close to 50% say they will continue to vote for the GOP if they do NOTHING about the illegal immigration/border security. Granted, it is early on, but what this tells me, a guy who swings a hammer for a living, is that our general consensus is to do nothing about this situation, but vote the same folks back in...as in "That a boy, you're doing good!!"
You're going to give yourself a brain embolism if you keep this up.
You and I have differing opinions on certain things, evidently. I am not sure how different, because I really didn't bother to get cyberpissed on, so I didn't read through the screed. But hey, it's Free Republic, and if you've gotta vent, the French-American guy who thinks Canada's a great place and likes Catholic immigration is probably a good guy to do it on.
"I'm melting! I'm melting!" - The Wicked Witch of the West.
"The stupid politicians with their big bucks backers continue to talk about amnesty, they talk about enforcement, but as we learned from the last amnesty, they have no intention of enforcing either the old laws or the "new" laws. Their paychecks are too big to listen to ordinary Americans, and they should all be thrown out of their cushy offices and get real jobs."
Yes, that's the nut of it.
Without an effective border barrier, any amnesty will just mean another round of millions of illegals coming in, and future amnesty. I think that eventually we probably COULD come to an agreement on amnesty for the folks here now, but it's a non-starter even for me if that border (the Mexican one, not the Canadian one, heh heh) isn't closed.
Looking up this thread, on other illegal immigration threads, and at the FreeRepublic poll that Mr. Robinson posted, it's clear that there's no patience in the Republican electorate for any more of this amnesty subterfuge.
Unfortunately, what that's going to mean this year is that Congress does nothing, which will merely preserve the status quo...and the status quo is 1 million illegals crossing every year, which is precisely what Democrats and Republican business interests want, each for their own purposes.
Yeah, I can easily visualize "the inner circle" making sure the push-polling data "confirms" whatever results "the old man" wants to hear.
The news today was that there's gonna be a big shakeup at the White House. The new "Samurai Chief of Staff" is creating a window of opportunity, so to speak -- anyone thinking of leaving this year should hand in their resignations NOW, and how even though no one took that advice, resignations were "expected" shortly.
When you have that kind of work environment, it's not uncommon for people to go way out on a limb to tell "managment" whatever the heck it wants to hear. No one wants to be among those who are selected to "volunteer" to "resign".
Naturally, I am not comforted by the reports of that kind of work environment. It doesn't exactly portray the image of a well-oiled machine that gets things done without hassles. Instead of a bunch of well-coordinated professionals quietly going about their business, I get a mental image of a couple of yayhoos trying to "fix" something they can't understand. Kinda like a tire-changer trying to overhaul an automatic transmission. While he stands there futzing with "the things that stick out of it", his buddy suggests, "don't force it, use a bigger hammer!"
I sure hope that the above image of internal "demi-chaos" is "for show", and that things really are running smoothly. If not, we're gonna be facing some rough times, as our enemies decide to make hay while the sun shines.
(Is there any rational strategic purpose to be served by intentionally trying to come off like "The Last Days of Nixon"? Sure! Sun Tsu said something about "when you're strong, appear weak" -- so, IF it's all an act, it could lure our enemies into being overly confident, a bit too cocky for their own good, and then, assured of their victory over us, they step out into the sunlight, and then.... *whooooomph* Got 'em! :)
Do I know that's what's going on? Nope. It's a hope, a dream, a fantasy. Things are scary enough that a man does tend to clutch at the occasional straw -- even such a stalwart as your humble correspondent :)
Go and take a good look at United North America, if you must.
And you'll see that there's that beautiful map, with the US Flag over the whole of Canada.
Canadians go nuts when they see that site.
Notice, please, that it's not about MEXICO. It's about Canadian provinces joining the US as states.
Notice further, that my own view of it (over there on the UNA website) is that while it's a romantic notion, that bringing the whole of Canada into the US is not on the cards at the present time.
I meant to comment on this in the last reply, it slipped my mind (looooong day here at Castle Joe).
Some Republican members of Congress have reported back from Easter recess to say their constituents are less outraged by leaky borders than the possible loss of immigrant workers, some from their own households.
Now that's just plain despicable, and a VERY sad commentary on the state of "our" side, presuming it's true. And, I presume it's true. :(
"Are you a drama major? That was an obscene phraseology."
Sorry, at this point I have absolutely no idea what post you are referring to.
Rather than trying to rehash it, I'll just boil my view down to a couple of sentences:
(1) The anti-illegal-immigration voters are going to stay home or vote third party in 2002 if the Republicans grant an amnesty, or do nothing.
(2) The best solution to get the key job done is to pass a law to build a fence, but not pass an amnesty at this time.
(3) I doubt that the Republican leadership will be wise enough to do that, because they are in the pocket of business and hellbent on keeping the border open.
(4) Democrats have organized the illegal vote this year like never before.
(5) And so, a combination of record illegal turnout, and massive Republican stay-homes, means a Democratic Congress.
(6) I think that's a BAD thing, so I would like to see the GOP pull their head out and legislate a fence.
Nothing hard to see about this.
Nothing obscene about it either.
Get over yourself. I was given one -- ONE -- website to look at -- and I did.
I hardly think that qualifies as "tracking you all over the Internet", so, with that in mind, I propose that you drop the Drama Queen act -- it plays no better than did the "Devout Catholic" act, or, the "Concerned Republican" act.
In fact, the only thing you've done so far that has come across well, is to present yourself as a leftist-sympathizer who boldly threatens to conspire with Democrats and other leftists against Conservative Republicans.
I guess one could say that you "found your special purpose."
It's not true.
THAT was the line I was referring to when I recapped tha old George Will story.
Do you personally know one single person who is "less outraged by leaky borders than the possible loss of immigrant workers, some from their own households"???
Me neither.
In other words, if you are not FOR controlling our borders, then you are, by definition, AGAINST exercising reasonable immigration control.
Thus far, the Bush administration has not demonstrated any commitment whatsoever to ameliorating the untenable situation we have on our So. border, or addressing immigration in a positive, constructive manner.
From its dawdling on Visa Express-the program that facilitated the Sept. 11th massacres, to the disastrous nomination of unqualified crony Julie Myers...
From its catering to the tourism industry and higher education, to its prioritization of diplomacy-verging on sycophancy-over telling the Mexicans where they can shove it...
From political hack and good ol' boy Ziglar, to Michael Chertoff, who is not qualified to be DHS Director and has proved his unfitness to hold that post, the Bush administration has demonstrated-time and again-that it does not value the opinion of the vast majority of the American public, which could care less what Vincente Fox thinks.
I will vote third party 31.9% 2,248
I will stay home 21.6% 1,521
color me confused .. I don't recall saying I was ever against controlling he borders
Wow, you really are the smarmy piece of work, aren't you.
Your argument having run out of steam, you begin the personal attacks -- and, you start big! You begin by fraudulently accusing me of criminal behavior!
You simply cannot speak at all, without spewing lies, inuendo, and libelous accusations, can you.
Do take care to make sure that your stalking remains limited to the electronic realm.
What a bitter, venomous little man you must be.
Does it make you feel big to lie about people by fraudulently accusing them of "stalking" you?
Are you aware that fraudulent accusation of a crime... is a crime?
Did you have to go to school to learn those, ahem, "skills", or was your mother frightened by a pit viper whilst she was carrying you? :)
I'll stop stalking you, when you CEASE AND DESIST from fellating my barnyard goats.
There, see how easy it is to play that game?
And, of course, "do take care to make sure that your" barnyard fellating endeavors don't go any further! I would hate to hear that you've begun fellating my barnyard pigs!
OK, I concede -- I am not as good at this kind of parody as you are -- of course, that's probably because when I do it, it is parody -- unlike your efforts to silence your critics via intimidation, by accusing them of criminal behavior.
You have taken "Have you stopped beating your wife?" to new heights. Or rather, depths.
Like I said, you're quite the piece of work. I've seen a lot of crap in my 20 odd years on the Internet (odder by the day, it seems!), but never have I been accused of "stalking" someone because I clicked on a URL to a public website that someone pointed me at!
W-O-W!
But you did remind me of something else I read in the news today. You might want to consider applying for an OSU faculty position. You would fit right in!
Excerpts:
French is referring to the vote of the entire faculty of Ohio State University (Mansfield campus) to investigate a librarian on allegations of "sexual harassment" and complaints that he made the campus "unsafe" and "threatening" – just by suggesting the school's freshman class read WND Managing Editor David Kupelian's book, "The Marketing of Evil."But what makes the allegation even more strange, says French, is the fact that librarian Scott Savage is a pious Ohio Quaker who drives to his job in a horse and buggy and embraces non-violence and peace in every area of life.
One of the three professors, Associate English Professor J.F. Buckley, said in an e-mail to the faculty: "… I am not shocked, only deeply saddened – and THREATENED – that such mindless folks are on this great campus. … You have made me fearful and uneasy being a gay man on this campus. I am, in fact, notifying the OSU-M campus, and Ohio State University in general, that I no longer feel safe doing my job. I am being harassed."
Savage is a conservative Quaker – sometimes called a "plain Christian." Like the Amish, "plain Christians" eschew modern technology to a large extent, wear unique clothing identifying themselves and are very spiritually and community oriented.In fact, Savage is the editor of "Plain" magazine and the acclaimed author of "A Plain Life" and "The Plain Reader."
Thus, for the university faculty to claim they feel "threatened" because of Savage "is like saying I feel threatened by Gandhi," quipped the ADF attorney.
Regardless of the outcome of the OSU case, Savage and his attorneys are "exploring options to clear Scott's name and restore his reputation" – and to stop the university from falsely accusing anyone else who dares to voice a traditionalist viewpoint."The fact that there are one or two unhinged professors out there – that's not news," said French. "But the fact that by a 21-0 vote, with 9 abstentions, the faculty would classify a book recommendation as sexual harassment – that show's there's an illness that has infected the academy."
Yes, the parallels are striking!
The highlight, of course, was, "I am not shocked, only deeply saddened – and THREATENED – that such mindless folks are on this great campus. … You have made me fearful and uneasy being a gay man on this campus. I am, in fact, notifying the OSU-M campus, and Ohio State University in general, that I no longer feel safe doing my job. I am being harassed."
Now, why do you think that snivelly little twit reminded me of your "waaah! waah! waaah! the bad man is stalking me!" tripe?
Oh, now I remember. It's because he accused a Conservative Christian of "sexual harassment", because he didn't like the Conservative having the nerve to nominate a Conservative book for the freshman reading list. So, rather than debate him on points, he merely accused him of "sexual harassment"!
This is the exact same tactic you engaged in tonight. Instead of debating me on points, you accused me of stalking you!
That is a particularly slimy tactic, but then, I concede that your options were limited, inasmuch as it was obvious that your "argument" had long since run out of steam. Of course, you arguably could have taken the gentleman's way out, and either conceded defeat, or, just let it drop, and moved on. Perhaps you don't have those options. While it is increasingly clear that you are driven to post to this thread, I have no idea as to the nature of that compulsion. And franky I think I don't want to know, LOL!
Oh, my sides hurt! I should sue you for damage to my rib-muscles! LOL!
Here's another parallel/metaphor for you to rest on: The Story of the Princess and the Pea.
LOL!
That was really LOOOOONNNNGGGG.....
TOOOOO LOOOOONNNNNGGGGGGG......
:(
If I keep what up?
I'm a writer. Writing is what I do.
"I'm melting! I'm melting!" - The Wicked Witch of the West.
Tres drole. Next time, perhaps you'll stick your thumbs in your ears, waggle your fingertips, and shout, "I can't HEAR you!" over and over.
I think it's disgusting. I voted stay home.
Not quite.
The "status quo" is dynamic -- which is another way of saying there is no "status quo."
The Minutemen are increasing their numbers and organization; if the government refuses to "guard the store then it appears that "The People" are fully prepared to "Stand in the Gap" (look that up in your Douay sometime).
Since it will take a relatively small number of people to block the entry of the criminal aliens (along the areas that are suitable for such criminal entry), and, since there are a large number of willing volunteers -- growing larger, as the situation becomes more "in your face" -- it's simple geometry to project a time at which the two curves intersect, at which point the influx of criminal aliens will begin decreasing.
So in short, your "1 million illegals crossing every year" hardly qualifies as "status quo".
So did I.
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