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Unpleasant Trend - Fed Counters By Stopping Release of M3 Money Supply Data
The Prudent Investor ^ | November 12, 2005

Posted on 02/28/2006 7:41:17 AM PST by vrwc0915

At a time when money supply (link to Wikipedia) has been exploding and weekly figures provide a nasty experience week after week, month after month, the Fed put out a short, flat notice last Thursday, saying that it will discontinue publication of M3 figures after March 2006. Such a step may fit in the policy of the current Bush administration but certainly not a supposedly independent central bank. M3 is the most important money aggregate for economists, analysts and Fed watchers to get an idea at what speed the (electronic) printing press is running. The European Central Bank (ECB) honors this set of data with a special press release every month. So much about transparency.

GRAPH: Recent M3 figures are certainly unpleasant and worrisome. M3 has been growing at an annual rate of 7.5 percent or double the most recent rate of GDP growth (subject to a revision.) Since Bush took office money supply M3 has risen by 40%. The Fed prints it and the government spends it as can be seen by growing government participation in growth numbers.

I am still shocked and in a state of disbelief that gives place to being disgusted about the new style. What will be next? Discontinuation of industrial production figures below zero? The consumer price index (CPI) being treated as a national secret once it rises above 5% despite all hedonic adjustments? Torture threats against people insisting to get the whole picture?

US Investing Will Become A Fly By Night Adventure No! First comes the discontinuation of more important data releases. No more repo data, no more Eurodollar data, no more large time deposits. Investing will become a fly by night adventure. From the Fed website (saved locally for later reference):

On March 23, 2006, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System will cease publication of the M3 monetary aggregate. The Board will also cease publishing the following components: large-denomination time deposits, repurchase agreements (RPs), and Eurodollars. The Board will continue to publish institutional money market mutual funds as a memorandum item in this release. Measures of large-denomination time deposits will continue to be published by the Board in the Flow of Funds Accounts (Z.1 release) on a quarterly basis and in the H.8 release on a weekly basis (for commercial banks).

Take note that only publication, but not calculation of these figures will be discontinued. I strongly hope that Ben Bernanke will revise this decision, being an economist who knows that sound research can only be done on the basis of data.

Looking back into history economic data was only kept a secret in failing economies, e.g. the Soviet Union. As this data is published by the board of governors of the Fed every one of their words will have to be scrutinized most carefully in the future and tested for credibility. Words are easy, but I prefer hard data. No prudent investor will navigate his funds through a foggy world but lie at anchor below a clear sky, meaning: elsewhere.


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1 posted on 02/28/2006 7:41:17 AM PST by vrwc0915
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To: vrwc0915
What will be next? Discontinuation of industrial production figures below zero? The consumer price index (CPI) being treated as a national secret once it rises above 5% despite all hedonic adjustments? Torture threats against people insisting to get the whole picture?

Rounding up Keynesians and shipping them to Gitmo.

2 posted on 02/28/2006 7:50:08 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Next Olympics I want wide track bobsledding. Four sleds on the track at once - like Ben Hur on ice.)
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To: vrwc0915; Travis McGee; A. Pole; Willie Green

ping


3 posted on 02/28/2006 7:50:16 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: vrwc0915
Looks likes the terrorists are winning.

Americans always overreact.......bankrupting the country.

Future wars will be fought from home ........push the nuke button.

4 posted on 02/28/2006 7:51:04 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I am not sure I understand your reply:

"Looks likes the terrorists are winning. Americans always overreact.......bankrupting the country. Future wars will be fought from home ........push the nuke button. "

5 posted on 02/28/2006 7:52:41 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: vrwc0915

Did you forget to tell everyone to buy gold?


6 posted on 02/28/2006 7:53:51 AM PST by Huck (Roe/Kelo: You have a right to privacy IN your bedroom; you just don't have a right TO your bedroom.)
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To: vrwc0915

Who is the author?


7 posted on 02/28/2006 7:54:23 AM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: Huck

Buy SPAM, more likely.


8 posted on 02/28/2006 7:55:28 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: vrwc0915
I am not sure I understand your reply:

It's as crystal clear as your tag line.

9 posted on 02/28/2006 7:57:52 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: vrwc0915
No prudent investor will navigate his funds through a foggy world but lie at anchor below a clear sky, meaning: elsewhere.

Key question. Where is "elsewhere?" The US economy is the best bet in the world, which is why we can have so much debt at so low interest. Yes, we've been spending like slightly inebriated sailors, but it turns out the Europeans and the Japanese have been spending like drunken sailors and have far less in the way of GDP growth to show for it. You could go to China or India in search of growth, but if you are looking for monetary stability, forget about it. You have to come right back here. Which is why we have no trouble auctioning off government debt by the trillions to foreign investors.

If you would prefer that your country's investments were less attractive to foreign capital, you could always move to Europe or Canada. The world is betting AGAINST them. I don't see any great advantage, given their double-digit unemployment and 50% GDP in government spending.

The prudent thing now is what it has always been. Diversify. Don't own cash, except what you need for your short-term needs. Own some bonds, some stock, some real estate, some gold, some investment-grade antiques. And avoid debt for anything except the acquisition of appreciating assets with positive cash flows. Then sleep well as the alarmists keep publishing the same tired charts they've been publishing for decades.

Remember, up until now every optimist in history has been right. Now place your bets.

10 posted on 02/28/2006 8:02:29 AM PST by massadvj
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To: vrwc0915; Ancesthntr; archy; Badray; B4Ranch; Blood of Tyrants; CodeToad; coloradan; Covenantor; ...
Thank goodness that Helicopter Ben, an Ivy League academic, is now the Fed chairman. We're in good hands.

"If recession should threaten serious consequences for business (as is not indicated at present) there is little doubt that the Federal Reserve System would take steps to ease the money market, and so check the movement." ----Harvard Economic Society, October 19, 1929

Face it, NOBODY knows "easing the money market" like Helicopter Ben, the Printing Press Man!

11 posted on 02/28/2006 8:08:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Huck
Did you forget to tell everyone to buy gold?

No, thousands of years of hard economic reality are now making that case plainly enough.

The current ratio is now under 20. A blind man can spot what is coming next.


12 posted on 02/28/2006 8:12:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

It's not time yet.

It's coming, but not yet. A few more pieces to put in place.

Make hay while the sun shines.


13 posted on 02/28/2006 8:21:17 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: vrwc0915

Fear, Complexity, & Environmental Management in the 21st Century
http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speeches/complexity/complexity.html

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Culture of Fear
Reason ^ | February 17, 2006 | Ronald Bailey
Posted on 02/20/2006 2:08:56 PM EST by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582266/posts


14 posted on 02/28/2006 8:27:24 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: vrwc0915
the Fed put out a short, flat notice last Thursday, saying that it will discontinue publication of M3 figures after March 2006

Will it be available from other sources?

15 posted on 02/28/2006 8:31:02 AM PST by A. Pole (XIV century English rhyme: "When Adam delved and Eve span, who was the gentleman?")
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To: Travis McGee

Not releasing M3 on the excuse that no one uses it is a false statement. Many people use it. The feds just stopped using it because it makes the financial situation look bad.


16 posted on 02/28/2006 8:39:07 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: hermgem

ping


17 posted on 02/28/2006 8:47:29 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: CodeToad

This reminds me of Soviet statistics.


18 posted on 02/28/2006 8:58:56 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Secrecy is the killer of nations.


19 posted on 02/28/2006 9:00:43 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: vrwc0915

I have to tell you that as a financial professional and an MBA, I am not impressed with that blog, "The Prudent Investor." Anyone can start a blog these days, but that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.


20 posted on 02/28/2006 9:00:51 AM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: carl in alaska
I don't really know much about that blog. But hiding M3 data is not a good thing however you look at it. I am not a financial "wizard" and as far as investing goes I only invest in tangible assets.

Possession is 9/10 and if you don't hold it you don't own it. Paper is useful to write on and for cleaning up when using the head

21 posted on 02/28/2006 9:04:02 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: vrwc0915

Just one last comment: I think the country is starting to suffer from information overload and major distortions of information because of too many uninformed and unprofessional news sources. Everybody thinks they're qualified to write about geopolitical events, politics, and economics, and not everybody is qualified. There's so much distorted, inaccurate information being tossed out by bloggers, radio shows, and especially left-wing activists. People write stuff in their blogs and publish it immediately on the web before they've even studied the issues. For example, Michelle Malkin is a great lady and very corageous but I don't think she understands this UAE port deal in detail and she's publishing commentary based largely on emtion without understanding that acquisition.


22 posted on 02/28/2006 9:06:59 AM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: carl in alaska
I am not impressed with that blog

Could you explain? What is has to do with the publication of M3 figures?

23 posted on 02/28/2006 9:10:23 AM PST by A. Pole (XIV century English rhyme: "When Adam delved and Eve span, who was the gentleman?")
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To: carl in alaska
I agree with your premise, however those who chose to use the grey matter that God gave them can usually discern bovine manure from fact
24 posted on 02/28/2006 9:10:50 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: vrwc0915

I don't know about the M3 data. There may be solid technical reasons why it's not a good measure of money supply or it's not very meaningful. It may be a wise decision not to publish it; no information is better than distorted or meaningless disinformation. For example, the offical reported US "savings rate" doesn't include pre-tax 401K and IRA contributions, so it's a meaningless number and we might be better off if the government stopped publishing that number and invented a more accurate calculation of savings that includes 401K and IRA contributions.


25 posted on 02/28/2006 9:10:51 AM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: carl in alaska
Are you advocating filtering public access to opinion and statistics?
26 posted on 02/28/2006 9:11:50 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: A. Pole

I didn't read it in detail, but my first impression of that blog is that it has some overly alarmist, overly pessimistic editorials based on a lack of understanding of how our economy and financial system operates.


27 posted on 02/28/2006 9:13:10 AM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: vrwc0915

No, just don't publish meaningless statistics that amount to disinformation.


28 posted on 02/28/2006 9:13:55 AM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: Travis McGee
"Icebergs eh? Hmmmm."
"Full speed ahead!"

Captain Edward John Smith aboard the "unsinkable" Titanic.

29 posted on 02/28/2006 9:25:25 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: vrwc0915

I don't get the relevance of the first graph. I'd like to know the burden of servicing our debt on our budget, compared to historical debt burden. I bet it's low/average.


30 posted on 02/28/2006 9:27:56 AM PST by billybudd
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To: carl in alaska
No, just don't publish meaningless statistics that amount to disinformation.

As a financial professional do you believe M3 is a meaningless statistic ?

31 posted on 02/28/2006 9:37:56 AM PST by simon says what
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To: Travis McGee

PMs are at a stable high. Silver may cross $10 very soon.


32 posted on 02/28/2006 9:38:29 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: carl in alaska
Are you saying that the value of M3 is not important enough to publish it?
33 posted on 02/28/2006 9:41:30 AM PST by A. Pole (Carly Fiorina: "Technology will 'disappear' in 25 years")
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To: planekT
What Chicken Little dares to say there is danger ahead? This is the greatest ship ever created by man! Why, it's engines, right now, are running at record RPMs! There is absolutely nothing in the future which can be a possible risk to this mighty vessel! Anybody who says otherwise is a doom and gloom nay-sayer! Full speed ahead!"


34 posted on 02/28/2006 9:47:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Hahaha. That's great!


35 posted on 02/28/2006 10:42:32 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: planekT

I'm just amazed that folks come on and DEFEND the stopping of publishing the M-3 data!

This is like a ship turning off the radar repeater in the passenger lounge, lest it frighten the passengers.


36 posted on 02/28/2006 10:55:49 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: vrwc0915

This is a stupid chart. It double or triple counts some debt. If you take out a car loan from GMAC and GMAC sells a bond to pay the auto seller, that debt is counted twice. And why no chart of assets? And why compare this debt number against a yearly number?

If I make $50,000 a year and get a 30 year mortgage for $200,000 my debt is now 400% of my GDP. Is that good or bad? I guess it depends on whether I want to sell you a big ass hunk of gold!!

37 posted on 02/28/2006 11:22:11 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: sgribbley

I guess the rose-colored glasses pom-pom girls who pop up here are trying to sell a few more houses before the bust.


39 posted on 02/28/2006 11:45:42 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
We will see who is laughing after about the 4th day of food/fuel shortages.
40 posted on 02/28/2006 11:49:41 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: simon says what; A. Pole
To be honest, I don't know the exact definition of M3 or how meaningful it is as a statistic. I'm just countering some replies that said the Fed is hiding this data because it doesn't look good. The Fed's decision may well be based on legitimate issues with distortions in the data used to calculated M3 or the economic significance of M3. If the Fed thinks the data has distortions that are making M3 growth look higher than it is, then it would make sense to stop publishing M3 beacuse the distorted data could increase inflationary expectations, and that would be damaging to the economy. But I really don't know why the Fed stopped publishing this data. We'll have to send an email to Bernanke and ask him.

My point is just that this decision may not be the deep, dark government conspiracy that some think it is.

41 posted on 02/28/2006 12:14:24 PM PST by carl in alaska (The raven watching news of the Florida recounts stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore.")
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To: sgribbley

If there were nothing wrong with deficit spending, then there would be nothing wrong with continuing to report the M3 figures. Seems to me there's an off-hand acknowledgement floating around here somers.


42 posted on 02/28/2006 12:14:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: 1rudeboy

...and freeze-dried, N2 packed food, guns and ammo.

Cause when this puppy comes down, it could get really ugly.

Remember the Scout motto: "Be PREPARED."

In the meantime, here's a little something some of the Founding Fathers left us to read covering how they TRIED to keep BRAVO SIERRA like this from happening.

(WARNING:A CLEARLY RHETORICAL QUESTION AHEAD!)
AS A PEOPLE, ARE WE REALLY AS STUPID AS OUR MASTERS BELIEVE???



(I wrote this a number of years ago when things were NOT going well with the economy. Trust me: They WILL get ugly once again as man -- or certain men -- cannot resist playing God. We continue to violate the universal, immutable laws of economics at our great peril.)

Despite the apparent economic strength of the American economy, history proves that EVERY house of cards eventually comes down. And the higher the card house, the harder the fall when it finally comes. And when it does, the more freedoms we will voluntarily surrender to "restore order." It was the Founders' concern about this historically valid problem which prompted their attempt -- now ignored -- to keep American "money" sound and honest.) Dick Bachert 1998

* * * * * * * *


The Forgotten History of Money
This is the fascinating story of the efforts by certain of the Founding Fathers to prevent the economic distress we find all about us today. It is also a sad story on the basis that modern, "sophisticated" Americans have abandoned the corrective institutional mechanism that remains in place to this day. As you read it, think about a world with many fewer S&L, banking and political scandals and economic problems now considered the norm.

"Blood running in the streets. Mobs of rioters and demonstrators threatening banks and legislatures. Looting of shop and home. Strikes and unemployment. Trade and distribution paralyzed. Shortages of food. Bankruptcies everywhere. Court dockets overloaded. Kidnappings for heavy ransom. Sexual perversion, drunkenness, lawlessness rampant. The wheels of government are clogged, and we are descending into the vale of confusion and darkness. No day was ever more clouded than the present. We are fast verging on anarchy and confusion. (George Washington in a 1786 letter to James Madison, describing the effects of fiat paper money inflation then ravaging America in the pre Constitutional period.)

"The annihilation (of the paper money) was so complete that barber shops were papered in jest with the bills; and sailors, on returning from cruises, being paid off in bundles of this worthless money, had suits made of it, and with characteristic lightheartedness, turned their loss into frolic by parading through the streets in decayed finery which in its better days had passed for thousands of dollars." (Contemporary writer, Breck, 1786)

"Paper money polluted the equity of our laws, turned them into engines of oppression, corrupted the justice of our public administration, destroyed the fortunes of thousands who had confidence in it, enervated the trade and husbandry, and the manufactures of our country, and went far to destroy the morality of out people." (Peletiah Webster, 1786)

At the drafting of the U.S.Constitution, there were many "Friends of Paper Money" present. On August 16, 1787, when the discussion arose on Article 1, Section 8, the proposed wording was this: "The Legislature of the United States shall have the power to...coin money...and emit bills of credit of the United States."

A hot argument ensued on the power to emit bills of credit, which is another way of saying "printing paper money".

Here are the actual words James Madison wrote describing the debate in his diary: "Mr.G.Morris moved to strike out *and emit bills of credit.* If the United States had credit, such bills would be unnecessary; if they had not, unjust and useless.

MADISON: Will it not be sufficient to prohibit the making them a tender? This will remove the temptation to emit them with unjust views. And promissory notes in that shape may in some emergencies be best.
MORRIS: Striking out the words will leave room still for notes of a responsible minister which will do the good without the mischief. The monied interest will oppose the plan of the Government, if paper emissions be not prohibited.
COL.MASON: Though he had a mortal hatred to paper money, yet as he could not foresee all emergencies, we was unwilling to tie the hands of the Legislature [Legislature = Congress].
MR.MERCER:(A friend to paper money) It was impolitic...to excite the opposition of all those who were friends to paper money.
MR. ELSEWORTH thought this was a favorable moment to shut and bar the door against paper money. The mischiefs of the various experiments which had been made, were now fresh in the public mind and had excited the disgust of all the respectable part of America. By withholding the power from the new Government, more friends of influence would be gained to it than by almost anything else...Give the Government credit, and other will offer. The power may do harm, never good.
MR.WILSON: It will have a most salutary influence on the credit of the United States to remove the possibility of paper money. This expedient can never succeed whilst its mischiefs are remembered, and as long as it can be resorted to, it will be a bar to other resources.
MR.READ thought the words, if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.
MR.LANGDON had rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words *and emit bills*".

The motion for striking out carried.

Historian George Bancroft later wrote: "James Madison left his testimony that *the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender, either for public or private debts, was cut
off.* This is the interpretation of the clause, made at the time of its adoption by all the statesmen of that age, not open to dispute because too clear for argument, and never disputed so long as any one man who took part in framing the constitution remained alive."

ROGER SHERMAN(1721 1793)should be a name familiar to every American. As familiar as Washington, Madison, Jefferson and Adams. He is the only man to have signed all 4 documents surrounding the formation of the United States of America: The Continental Association of 1772, The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation and The United States Constitution. He was a Judge of the Superior Court in New Haven, Connecticut, serving that office with distinction from 1766 until 1788. He served as Treasurer of Yale University from 1765 to 1776. He was renouned for his high intelligence and unswerving honesty and was described by John Adams "as honest as an angel and as
firm in the cause of American independence as Mount Atlas." He served in the U.S.Senate from 1791 until his death in 1793.

Why is Roger Sherman*s name unfamiliar? HE WAS AN ENEMY OF PAPER MONEY!! In 1751, Roger Sherman and his brother William sued James Battle for paying a debt to their shop in New Milford, Connecticut, in depreciating paper currency. Over a period of 15 months, Battle had charged "divers wares and merchandizes" amounting to 129 pounds of what
Sherman assumed were pounds of Connecticut "Old Tenor", a stable currency whose value were well preserved by taxation taking it out of circulation. But Battle assumed the debt was denominated in pounds of ever depreciating Rhode Island currency, tendered in same, and the Shermans took a beating in the payment and sued for recovery of loss by depreciation. The Shermans lost when Battle argued that he was merely following the accepted custom of the day. In 1752, Sherman wrote his book "A Caveat Against Injustice or An Inquiry into the Evils of a Fluctuating Medium of Exchange" indicting UNBACKED PAPER MONEY.

It was this experience that Sherman brought to the Constitutional Convention and prompted him to rise on August 28,1787 and propose new, more restrictive wording to Article 1,Section 10. The standing version under consideration was worded this way: "No state shall coin money; nor grant letters of marque and reprisal; nor enter into any Treaty, alliance, or confederation; nor grant any title of Nobility." (From Madison’s Notes of the Convention) "Judge Sherman and Mr. Wilson moved to insert the words *coin money* the words *nor emit bills of credit, nor make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts* making these prohibitions absolute, instead of making the measures allowable with the consent of the Legislature of the U.S. Mr. Sherman thought this a FAVORABLE CRISIS FOR CRUSHING PAPER MONEY. If the consent of the Legislature could authorize emissions of it, the friends of paper money would make every exertion to get into the Legislature in order to license it." Mr. Sherman*s and Mr. Wilson*s motion was quickly agreed to and became the supreme law of the land.

Some additional quotations to ponder:

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from a want of honor or virtue so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation" (John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 1787)

"I deny the power of the general government to making paper money, or anything else, a legal tender." (Thomas Jefferson)

"You have been doubtless been informed, from time to time, of the happy progress of our affairs. The principal difficulties seem in great measure to have been surmounted. Our revenues have been considerably
more productive than it was imagined they would be. I mention this to show the spirit of enterprise that prevails." (George Washington in a letter to the Marquis de LaFayette, June 3, 1790 AFTER the United States Constitution prohibited unbacked paper money at Article 1, Section 10)

"Since the federal constitution has removed all danger of our having a paper tender, our trade is advanced fifty percent. Our monied people can trust their cash abroad, and have brought their coin into circulation." (December 16, 1789 edition of The Pennsylvania
Gazette)

"Our country, my dear sir, is fast progressing in its political importance and social happiness." (George Washington in a letter to the Marquis de LaFayette, March 19, 1791)

"The United States enjoys a sense of prosperity and tranquility under the new government that could hardly have been hoped for." (George Washington in a letter to Catherine Macaulay Graham, July 19,1791)

"Tranquility reigns among the people with that disposition towards the general government which is likely to preserve it. Our public credit stands on that high ground which three years ago would have been
considered as a species of madness to have foretold." (George Washington in a letter to David Humphreys, July 20, 1791)

"It is apparent from the whole context of the Constitution as well as the times which gave birth to it, that it was the purpose of the Convention to establish a currency consisting of the precious metals.
These were adopted by a permanent rule excluding the use of a perishable medium of exchange, such as certain agricultural commodities recognized by the statutes of some States as tender for debts, or the still more pernicious expedient of PAPER CURRENCY." (Andrew Jackson, 8th Annual Message to Congress, December 5, 1836)

DESPITE WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL, THE HISTORICAL RECORD IS CRYSTAL CLEAR: AMERICA WAS TO HAVE BEEN SPARED THE DESTRUCTIVE EFFECTS OF AN UNBACKED PAPER MONEY SYSTEM. MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WE FACE TODAY CAN BE TRACED TO WHAT ANDREW JACKSON CALLED "THE PERNICIOUS EXPEDIENT OF PAPER MONEY".

HISTORY TEACHES THAT AN "ARTIFICIAL" MONEY CREATES AN "ARTIFICIAL" WORLD WHERE THE PRICE FOR SOME ITEM...EVEN OUR MOST POPULAR WELFARE "PROGRAM"...CAN BE DEFERRED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS (OUR $11 TRILLION
NATIONAL DEBT) OR PAID WITH A "MONEY" CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR WHICH ROBS THE VALUE FROM THE MONEY WE MIGHT BE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE IN OUR POCKETS AT THAT MOMENT (INFLATION). AND ONE THING YOU MUST REMEMBER ABOUT INFLATION IS THAT IT IS NOT AN "EQUAL OPPORTUNITY" DESTROYER: THOSE FIRST IN LINE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON THE NEW MONEY ROLLING OFF THE PRESSES (THE MODERN FRIENDS OF PAPER MONEY) HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEND IT BEFORE IT LOSES ITS VALUE. THE LITTLE PEOPLE (THAT’S US, FOLKS!) FARTHEST DOWN THE LINE ARE THE ONES WHO FEEL THE FULLEST EFFECTS OF THIS DESTRUCTIVE PROCESS.
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Dick Bachert




43 posted on 02/28/2006 12:50:51 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: vrwc0915

Nobody will be laughing then.


44 posted on 02/28/2006 1:10:29 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If I make $50,000 a year and get a 30 year mortgage for $200,000 my debt is now 400% of my GDP.

I don't think you'd have enough to live on in that scenario after taxes, food, insurance, utilities, car payment, maintenance, etc. But give it a try and let me know how you're doing. I hope you don't have a family to support. Good luck!

45 posted on 02/28/2006 1:12:22 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: Dick Bachert

"In the long run, we are all dead" is a fine philosophy...if you are a heartless and nihilistic creep who doesn't care about the lives his grand children will be forced to lead.


46 posted on 02/28/2006 1:12:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: massadvj
Remember, up until now every optimist in history has been right. Now place your bets.

Well possibly if your time frames are long enough. But in normal-human years someone following your diversify strategy in 1928 might have gone from rich to poor as the stock and bond values dropped through the floor, anitques devalued as money dried up. At least their gold was good, until FDR siezed by executve order! Pessimists who thought Hitler was going to destroy Germany and acted accordingly (left country) did far better than those who were 'optimistic' when bad things started happening. History offers plenty of examples.

47 posted on 02/28/2006 2:50:43 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"If I make $50,000 a year and get a 30 year mortgage for $200,000 my debt is now 400% of my GDP."


Sure, but so is your asset holdings. That $200K is backed by a $200K house. What backs our national debt or currency? Nothing.


48 posted on 02/28/2006 3:39:01 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Travis McGee
"If recession should threaten serious consequences for business (as is not indicated at present) there is little doubt that the Federal Reserve System would take steps to ease the money market, and so check the movement." ----Harvard Economic Society, October 19, 1929

History repeats itself while the sheeple are blind.

49 posted on 02/28/2006 4:09:16 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If I make $50,000 a year and get a 30 year mortgage for $200,000 my debt is now 400% of my GDP. Is that good or bad? I guess it depends on whether I want to sell you a big ass hunk of gold!!

The difference is, in your case you very likely have a future income stream that will increase more than your future expenditures, so that you can reduce your debt. You also likely have that now. Furthermore, you won't be borrowing $200,000 next year, or the year after, of any year into the foreseeable future. And you likely don't have a bunch of unfunded liabilities down the road.

In the case of the federal government, spending is increasing faster than revenues. There is NO plan to pay down the debt, or even achieve a balanced budget. They plan to borrow even more money next year compared to this year. And there are massive unfunded liabilites around the corner once the boomers retire.

I guess it depends on whether I want to sell you a big ass hunk of gold!!

Gold beats paper over the long haul every time. As for "selling gold", as least they are selling some tangible instead of passing paper around all day like "sophisticated" investors do.

50 posted on 02/28/2006 4:22:00 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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