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Caught on Video: Kerry Cheated by Using Notes Cards in Debate
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php ^

Posted on 10/03/2004 10:31:18 AM PDT by conservativepoet

Caught on Video: Kerry Cheated by Using Notes Cards in Debate


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: asseenindrudge; bush; cheater; debates; kerry; kerrylies; kerryliesandcheats; thankyoujim; welovefrandthisiswhy
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Looks like we now know why Kerry seemed so polished. He used notecards which both campaigns agreed not to use. See the link above to check out the video.
1 posted on 10/03/2004 10:31:18 AM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: conservativepoet
Some freepers have already said they saw him do it.
Good to see the story catching on.
2 posted on 10/03/2004 10:33:35 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (We childproofed our home, but they are still getting in)
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To: conservativepoet

Didn't Bush have an 8 x 11 piece of paper? I thought I saw him actually pick it up at one point!


3 posted on 10/03/2004 10:34:06 AM PDT by Heff ("Liberty is not America's gift to the world, it's the Almighty's gift to humanity" GW Bush 4/12/04)
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To: conservativepoet

He rattled out complicated answers to complicated questions without pausing to think. Mighty suspicious to me.


4 posted on 10/03/2004 10:34:10 AM PDT by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: conservativepoet
I want to see the high res copy Fox and the other networks have, zoomed in really close and one frame at a time. We need to be screaming about this. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual questions were on the note cards along with his talking points.
5 posted on 10/03/2004 10:34:51 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: conservativepoet

This is nothing new -- we already knew he was a lying, cheating, stealing bastard.


6 posted on 10/03/2004 10:35:02 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: BobKrumm; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; BykrBayb; LakeLady; bridgemanusa; Darksheare; Dr Snide; ...

Kerry caught with his pants down ping.....


7 posted on 10/03/2004 10:35:43 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: conservativepoet
a democrap was cheating??? Nooooooooooooo.
8 posted on 10/03/2004 10:35:54 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftist are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Heff

There was paper on the podium, as per the debate rules. As per the rules, neither candidate could bring any notes or props, or anything else to the podium.


9 posted on 10/03/2004 10:36:17 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: conservativepoet

I can't get the video to play. The screen just stays black???


10 posted on 10/03/2004 10:36:27 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Heff

They could take notes on paper, but were not supposed to come in with notes made prior to the debate. Pens, pencils and notepaper were provided by the moderator, and were on the lecterns when Bush and Kerry came in. Kerry clearly took something out of his pocket and smoothed it out on the lectern.


11 posted on 10/03/2004 10:37:42 AM PDT by livius
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To: conservativepoet

DNC Video of debate BACKFIRES! LA Times Poll Bush's Favorability Up

http://www.ejsmithweb.com/fr/faces_fr_fast.wmv

Watch this DNC video to see what an idiot Kerry is! LOL

LA TIMES POLL SUNDAY: Bush's favorability rating among debate viewers actually improved slightly (although within the survey's margin of error). Before debate, 51% of watchers viewed Bush favorably, 49% unfavorably; after, numbers were 52% and 47%...


KERRY VS. KERRY
Kerry’s Top Ten Iraq Flip Flops
From First Debate

ONE: Claimed “I’ll Never Give A Veto To Any Country Over Our Security.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Preemption Must Pass “Global Test” First. “No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Would Wait On French And Russians To Defend America. SEN. JOHN KERRY: “I would have done what was necessary to know that you had exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians.” (MSNBC’s “Hardball,” 10/20/03)

TWO: Claimed “Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Said “Greatest Threat” Was Saddam’s “Miscalculation,” Not “Actual” WMDs. KERRY: “I would disagree with John McCain that it’s the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it’s what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that – that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/15/02)

THREE: Claimed “This President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error Of Judgment. And Judgment Is What We Look For In The President Of The United States Of America.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Questioned Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam’s Capture Didn’t Help U.S. Security. “Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don’t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president.” (CNN’s “Capital Gang,” 12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, “Dean Faces More Criticism,” [New York] Newsday, 12/17/03)

FOUR: Complained “We Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of The Cost: $200 Billion – $200 Billion That Could Have Been Used For Health Care, For Schools, For Construction, For Prescription Drugs For Seniors, And It’s In Iraq.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Pledged To Fund Reconstruction With “Whatever Number” Of Dollars It Took. NBC’S TIM RUSSERT: “Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “No. I think we should increase it.” RUSSERT: “Increase funding?” KERRY: “Yes.” RUSSERT: “By how much?” KERRY: “By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/31/03)

FIVE: Claimed “You Don’t Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That They Need.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Said It Would Be Reckless And “Irresponsible” To Vote Against Funding For Troops. LOS ANGELES TIMES’ DOYLE McMANUS: “If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?” KERRY: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they’re on the right track. There’s a way to do this properly. But I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/14/03)

ü Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction Package That Included “Money For Body Armor For Soldiers.” (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay; “Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures,” The Associated Press, 10/17/03)

ü ‘“I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It,’ [Kerry] Said.”(Glen Johnson, “Kerry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops,” The Boston Globe, 3/17/04)

SIX: Said Americans In Iraq Not Dying For “Mistake.” PBS’ JIM LEHRER: “Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?” KERRY: “No, and they don’t have to, providing we have the leadership that we put – that I’m offering.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Earlier In Debate, Kerry Called Iraq War “Mistake.” “We can’t leave a failed Iraq. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü “But The President Made A Mistake In Invading Iraq.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

SEVEN: Said Knowing What He Knows Now, “Would Not” Have Authorized Use Of Force. “What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are his words. Now, I would not.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Said Knowing What He Knows Now, “Would Have Voted For The Authority.” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it’s the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively. I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has.” (CNN’s “Inside Politics,” 8/9/04)

EIGHT: Claimed “The President Says That I’m Denigrating These Troops. I Have Nothing But Respect For The British, Tony Blair, And For What They’ve Been Willing To Do.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Dismissed Coalition Partners As “Window Dressing” And Claimed They’re Not Sharing Burden Of War And Reconstruction. CNN’S BILL HEMMER: “The White House would say that dozens of countries are helping now in the effort on the ground in Iraq and they are engaged with the U.N., as well, how would more international involvement prevent the violence we’re seeing today?” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “Well, the fact is that those countries are really window dressing to the greatest degree. And they weren’t there in the beginning when we went in, and they’re not carrying the cost of this war.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 3/2/04)

NINE: Claimed “I’ve Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam Hussein Was A Threat.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü Kerry Said, “We Now Know That Iraq Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, And Posed No Imminent Threat To Our Security.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04)

TEN: Claimed “My Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat. He Needed To Be Disarmed.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

ü “Saying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn’t Make It So.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks To Democrat National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/29/04)

ü “I Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Fox News’ “Fox News Sunday,” 12/14/03)


12 posted on 10/03/2004 10:37:55 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: lonevoice

Bookmark for developing..


13 posted on 10/03/2004 10:37:56 AM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: conservativepoet

Ah...this needs a lot of exposure.


14 posted on 10/03/2004 10:37:57 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Heff
Didn't Bush have an 8 x 11 piece of paper? I thought I saw him actually pick it up at one point!

The rules allowed the candidates to have paper for taking notes during the debate but they were prohibited from bringing in any notes written prior to the start of the debate.

15 posted on 10/03/2004 10:38:26 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Heff

They were given paper and pens to write on. They were not allowed to bring notes to the debate.

Bush wrote on the paper provided and then picked it up at some point.


16 posted on 10/03/2004 10:38:49 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: conservativepoet

As suspected. Just as Kerry had his props for the '71 testimony, he had them in this debate. There was a marked difference from the ABC interview, a friendly environment, and a formal debate setting. In one he was all over the place, in this he was pulled together?

This explains the source of his "style".


17 posted on 10/03/2004 10:39:08 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: stockpirate
This needs to be played on hannity & Colmes etc etc etc ad nauseum.

SOme people may say big deal, but this was an obvious breach of the debate rules, and goes straight to the issue of INTEGRITY and HONESTY of the candidates. Makes Jim Lehrer's loaded "character" question very relevent.

18 posted on 10/03/2004 10:39:20 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Tooters

well I am sooooo shocked. LOL. He did not look polished to me-more like a bobble headed pumpkin.

People who are not political junkies told me that they thought kerry was awful-all he did was attack attack, avoid answering or deliver confusing gobbledy gook.


19 posted on 10/03/2004 10:39:35 AM PDT by greeneyes
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To: conservativepoet

He must have had advice from Sandy Burglar...


20 posted on 10/03/2004 10:40:13 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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