Posted on 04/06/2003 5:26:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
Edited on 07/20/2004 11:48:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Richmond welcomed Abraham Lincoln back with patriotic music, enthusiastic applause and boos yesterday, 138 years after he entered the smoldering capital of the Confederacy.
Smiling children and dignitaries slowly lifted a forest green cloth, unveiling a life-size bronze statue of Lincoln and his son, Tad, at a spot near the James River.
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Sure I do. He was the general who lost to Ulysses S. Grant. Of course, you could use that description on every southern general that Grant faced but you know what I mean.
That's because y'all prefer to come south to rape and burn other people's property.
Is that Mayor Rudy "I think the U.S. Troops should surrender now" McCollum in that picture?
Give the invalid a break. Without nonsense from the CrownRights fantasy factory, the poor guy wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
For 130 years, the SCV laid a wreath at Lincoln's grave every year. Then they were taken over by these hate-filled revisionist neo-confederates.
It obviously was SOME history.
Are you this Edgerton person?
Walt
Forty loyal Texans were hanged in October 1862, simply for being loyal.
The famous Marylander Merryman, who raised troops for the rebels and was active in treasonous activities was held 49 days and then released. He later became a serving officer in the rebel army.
Consider also:
"It was to Lincoln's credit that early in 1862, when General McClellan was about to advance upon Richmond and hopes of an early victory ran high, he ordered that all political prisoners in military custody be released upon parole and granted an amnesty for past offenses. Extraordinary arrests by the military authorities would continue: all spies, secret agents, and conspirators whom the secretary of war regarded as dangerous to the public safety would be taken up and kept in custody. But the old slate was wiped clean.
And it was to Stanton's credit that he adopted a sensible course for sifting the great body of prisoners held on various charges, and releasing most of them. He appointed John A. Dix and Edwards Pierrepont as commissioners to examine those held in the New York area and render a quick verdict. Visiting Fort Lafayette and other prisons, by April 1862 they had practically finished their work. The judge advocate of the army for the Washington area was empowered to dispose of prisoners arrested in the Federal District and adjacent Virginia. Governor David Tod of Ohio was authorized to use a special agent to investigate cases, with a promise that any prisoner would be released on his recommendation."
Did I mention that 40 loyal Texans were hanged simply for being loyal to the old flag? George Pickett hanged 22 North Carolinians for the same reason. The feeral government hanged not -one- rebel for any reason.
The rebels always took the lead in murder and atrocity. It's no wonder that Robert E. Lee said that the institution of slavery had as bad an effect on whites as blacks.
Walt
Instead of wisea$$ statements like this, why don't you correct me when I post something that isn't true. I suppose that if history is your business, then you have probably read more about the subject than I have. Otherwise I doubt it.
ML/NJ
Read some more:
"He [General Sherman] then he spoke to the two Confederates of Lincoln's assassination. {General Joseph]Johnston confided to Sherman his horror at the deed, fearing it would be blamed on the Confederates, and that Lincoln might have been their greatest ally in reconstruction." Stepping outside to their now mingled escorts, they found the news generally known, as Sherman introduced the two of them to his staff, and Breckinridge and Reagan discussed it with some of their followers. The postmaster said he hoped no connection between the murdered and their cause would be found, or it should go hard for them, while Breckinridge said Lincoln's death at this time and in this manner must precipitate great calamity for them. "Gentlemen," he told them, “the South has lost its best friend." At once he wrote a message to be taken by courier to Davis, announcing the assassination and what he called the "dastardly attempt" on Seward. As soon as he got back to Goldsboro and the telegraph, he would send a wire with more details Sherman also took Breckinridge aside privately and advised him that despite the provision for universal amnesty in their agreement, he doubted that the North would allow it to apply o the civil leaders. If they could, they had all better leave the country especially Davis. Noting that there was particular hostility toward Breckinridge since, as one-time vice president, he was the highest ranking living civilian to go over to the rebellion he advised the Kentuckian to be sure to get away. Breckinridge replied that he would give the Yankees no more trouble on his own account, and that he would attempt to get Davis and himself and the rest out of the country as soon as possible. <
-"An Honorable Defeat" pp.166-67 by William C. Davis
"...in the wake of the assasination, editors, generals and public officials across the South voiced the opinion that the region had lost its best friend. Indignation meetings, so-called, were convened in many places. Lincoln stood for peace, mercy, and forgiveness. His loss, therefore, was a calamity for the defeated states. This opinion was sometimes ascribed to Jefferson Davis, even though he stood accused of complicity in the assasination....He [Davis] read the telegram [bringing news of Lincoln's death] and when it brought an exultant shout raised his hand to check the demonstration..."He had power over the Northern people," Davis wrote in his memoir of the war," and was without malignity to the southern people."...Alone of the southern apologists, [Alexander] Stephens held Lincoln in high regard. "The Union with him in sentiment," said the Georgian, "rose to the sublimnity of religious mysticism...in 1873 "Little Elick" Stephens, who again represented his Georgia district in Congress, praised Lincoln for his wisdom, kindness and generosity in a well-publicized speech seconding the acceptance of the gift of Francis B. Carpenter's famous painting of Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation."...[in 1880] a young law student at the University of Virginia, Thomas Woodrow Wilson, speaking for the southern generation that grew to maturity after the war, declared, "I yield to no one precedence in love of the South. But because I love the South, I rejoice in the failure of the Confederacy"...the leading proponent of that creed was Henry W. Grady, editor of the Atlanta Constitution. In 1886 Grady, thirty-six years old, was invited to address the New England Society of New York, on the 266th anniversary to the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth.
General Sherman, seated on the platform, was an honored guest, and the band played [I am not making this up] "Marching Through Georgia" before Grady was introduced.
Pronouncing the death of the Old South, he lauded the New South of Union and freedom and progress. And he offered Lincoln as the vibrant symbol not alone of reconciliation but of American character. "Lincoln," he said, "comprehended within himself all the strength, and gentleness, all the majesty and grace of the republic." He was indeed, the first American, "the sum of Puritan and Cavalier, in whose ardent nature were fused the virtues of both, and in whose great soul the faults of both were lost."
--From "Lincoln in American Memory" by Merrill D. Peterson P. 46-48
The leading confederates gave Lincoln a respect that you don't seem to find within yourself. What is the disconnect here, I wonder?
Walt
You really need to find another forum to pollute.
I don't recall making such a statement. I did say, and say again, that based on what I knew in 1992 I would vote for Clinton over Bush Sr. ten times out of ten.
I knew Bush stumbled into an entirely avoidable war. I knew he encouraged the Shi'a in southern Iraq to revolt and then left them hanging. I knew he had issues with "the vision thing." I knew he had lied through his teeth about his involvement with Iran-Contra.
I am all in all glad that Gore is not president now because we needed to prosecute this war and he would have said "Earth is in the balance" or some such nonsense, and weaseled out of it.
I do firmly believe that Bush Jr. is nothing but a figurehead. Bush Sr. is running things; he and Cheney and Rumsfeld.
I mean, really listen to the president. He sounds like an idiot.
Walt
You are probably correct that it has tainted my view some - It's the northern section where all the leftist bureaucrats are infiltrating.
Shut up Wlat.
Not necessarily. It could have been either a scalawag or a yankee transport who did it. Either way, the act and the creature who did it are both repulsive.
But a similar statue up North probably wouldn't have anything to worry about.
And on that subject you are simply wrong. They can't even keep some of the smaller monuments on the national mall free of grafitti, so what makes you think a Davis one would fare any better there?
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