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To: jmacusa

“Such prevarication as I’ve never seen.”

Nonsense. Where I have contradicted you, you are misinformed or uninformed. From now on, put “willfully” before both those adjectives.

“The most specious part of your post is this gem: “Loyalty is not owed to the government but to the Constitution.” Read the oath given to those who serve in the US Military and what it states.”

Why would you bring up something that proves you wrong? Here’s the oath I took:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]

Where does that call for loyalty to anything other than the Constitution?

“It seems quite obvious to me”

Seeing as how everything you’ve said here today has been wrong, I cannot seem to find any concern for your opinion.

“Are you indeed sorry the South lost?”

I am not foolish enough to think I can discern what would have happened had the Confederacy won. I tend to think the Confederate states would have rejoined the Union after they had ended slavery, but who knows? Perhaps England would have picked us off separately.

I will, however, leave you with this gem by H. L. Mencken, of whom I somewhat recklessly presume you will have heard:

“The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination—that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”


67 posted on 11/08/2015 4:16:47 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

The Constitution is the document that sets up our governing system and encodes our rights as citizens of The United States . Our military defends the Constitution and the country it governs. The prevarication I mentioned is on your part. You’re all over the map rationalizing treason on the part of the Southern slave owning plutocracy that choose to go to war to preserve an economic system built on slave labor. The Confederacy would have rejoined the AFTER it won the war? And it would have ended slavery? Holy Smokes. You’re too much.


71 posted on 11/08/2015 4:31:34 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: dsc

**England would have picked us off separately.**

Back in the 1840s, during the Oregon territories problems, England attempted to create an alliance between Canada, England, Mexico, and the new nation of TEXAS, against the USA, thus precipitating the Mexican War, when a horrified TEXAS joined the USA.

England was squarely behind the Confederate states, building warships and shipping tens of thousands of Enfield rifles to the South. they did not recognize the Confederacy yet.


72 posted on 11/08/2015 4:32:21 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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