Posted on 03/08/2014 6:07:03 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome
So when did Ann's and Obama Sr.'s "whatever happened happened fast" wedding happen? For no apparent reason, confusion abounds among Obama's biographers over the wedding date:
1. Dreams claims that Ann and Obama Sr. were in married "in 1960"; similarly, Mendell's 2007 book claims that the couple were married "sometime in late 1960" when they "slipped off alone to the island of Maui"; and both Obamaland (2008) by Ron Jacobs (with contributor David Maraniss) and a 2007 Washington Post article claim that the two were married "late in 1960."
2. A 2007 Chicago Tribune article vaguely claims that Ann and Obama Sr. were married "six months before" Barack's birth on Aug 4, 1961 -- or, in other words, sometime in early 1961.
3. An April 2008 Time article by Amanda Ripley, as does Maraniss's August 2008 article, gives a specific date of February 2, 1961 for the wedding, apparently based on Ann's and Obama Sr.'s 1964 divorce records – mysteriously appearing on the web. But since fake documents have been known to appear on the web, Obama's biographers, Ripley and Maraniss, might want to verify the 1964 divorce documents – especially since a Feb. 2, 1961 marriage date for "Ann and Obama Sr." wasn't reported in any Honolulu Advertiser or Honolulu Star-Bulletin marriage lists from February 1961. Take the February 8, 1961 Star-Bulletin, which listed eighteen marriages from Feb. 3, Feb. 4, and Feb. 6, and no Feb. 2 marriages, and the February 7, 1961 Advertiser, which listed eleven marriages from Feb. 2 to 4, including two Feb. 2 marriages.
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An easy way to understand what a NBC is, is if you take away every law created by the government granting citizenship, the 14th Amendment, the Immigration and Naturalization Act, every piece of positive law - and you would still be a US citizen, then you are citizen by natural law, ergo an NBC.
A very good way of putting it.
When [my wife] became a US citizen, she was told that the US does not recognize her other citizenships.
And, when you stop and think about it, why should we? Frankly, I'm not aware of any nation which recognizes and considers the citizenship laws of other nations to take precedence over its own. It's simply not in any country's interests to let another country write its citizenship laws.
Dual citizenship for American citizens becomes an issue only when it leaves them subject to the laws of another country -- while they are present in that country. For example, during the sixties and seventies, many children born as American citizens overseas found themselves subject to the draft in the country where they had been born. Consequently, it was important to avoid visiting that country -- where they could be held subject to its laws.
That is of course applicable if the IDENTITY of the indvidual claiming citizenship is known. In this particular instance, what you have is a CLAIMED identity, so I imagine the citizenship question is moot.
Prayers for you both. Blessings in Jesus’ Name, amen.
Note, please, that I have not commented on Obama, specifically, only on the prevailing American citizenship law as of the time in question.
Among the people concerned with Obama's eligibility, there is a broad misunderstanding of those laws. I am trying to correct those misperceptions.
I have not taken a position on Obama's status because, frankly, I don't know -- for sure -- what the circumstances of his birth were. I am fairly certain, though, that they are not as claimed. But I have no idea in which regard the public information is in error.
Piety in modern English usage can refer to a way to win the favor or forgiveness of God, According to some, this type of piety does not necessarily require the spiritual piety, while others refrain from distinguishing the two.
It is also used by others to refer only to external signs that result from the spiritual aspect of piety. That is, according to some, if one is “truly” pious (in the spiritual sense), the natural and inevitable result of it will be religious piety. By this definition, then, piety can be either genuine, in that it springs from spiritual piety, or false, in that it is an attempt to exhibit the signs of piety for their own sake, or for some other reason, (such as propitiation or public esteem).
IGNORANCE ON PARADE
it’s that part of your tagline that maybe best describes your reply. You maintain you haven’t commented on obama, but that’s what this thread is about. We’re not talking about Fidel Castro...or that chinaman who had an Hawaiian birth certificate but wasn’t born in Hawaii. You can’t hide your head in the sand, imo. You don’t know who the man is, where he came from, or who his parents were/are, and any citizenship discussions in relation to him just aren’t applicable.
If you can’t acknowledge who your comments refer to, then do we take it it’s purely academic and you don’t care who he is or where he came from?
Somehow, sometime along the line, everyone needs to take a stand. The question won’t go away by ignoring it exists.
WHO IS HE?
She’s stalking me again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGl2DhiMINs
(No hidden meanings or messages behind this video, Fred. It’s just such a beautiful song, I’m hoping you will enjoy it—and even more hopefully receive a blessing. A true banquet for the ears!)
Posters are making judgments based on misperceptions of the citizenship laws of the time and I try to correct those misperceptions...and I'm "out of order"???
I'm careful to qualify those corrections to insure that nobody thinks I'm claiming that Barack Obama is, for certain, an American citizen -- or, for that matter, is who he says he is...and I'm "out of order"???
Please reserve your insults for those who deserve them.
I’m not responsible for people who can’t tell the difference between genuine debate and the miriad of derogatory adjectives used to describe the effect losing has. And then showers blessings on me by way of suggesting I need forgiveness. I’m here, like a famous man once said, to drain the swamp, not kill the smiling crocodiles.
She took the child to Susan Blake just to tell her the fake story about being married and having a baby...and don't forget, Susan said she never saw her again...
Our research is trying to follow him and that dark boy who is a few months older, probably the child Mary babysat in January 1961, and little zero from Seattle to Boston, where SAD told Susan she was going that day. And that was apparently the destination for the dark boy as well, because if he's the son of Anna Obama and the kenyan student, then that's the boy the kenyan told his associates at Harvard he was going to visit.
So who was living in Boston, why did Stanley Ann Dunham go there, of all places, late in August 1961? Where was it that the two little boys were photographed together?
Somewhere close enough to 170 Magazine Street Cambridge where the kenyan student was living?
Have you been reading the thread, or did you just pop in and out again?
“And then showers blessings on me by way of suggesting I need forgiveness.”
Right on the first half, wrong on the second. A blessing given with ulterior/substrata motives isn’t a blessing at all; I wouldn’t (dare) waste God’s time.
And British Law only applies if the father was the kenyan. While he’s walking around with a fake bc and you don’t know his identity, his parents might have been one USC and one alien on holiday, who possibly gave birth across the border in Canada.
Then what would he be?
The British/USC definition for the citizenship of the parents only applies to the child born Barack Hussein Obama II, and it looks like he grew up in Kenya.
To: Plummz
Ann Dunham’s US State Department passport file as released per FOIA contains paperwork saying her son Barack is now an Indonesian citizen in no need of an American passport.
You will of course be so kind as to let us know just where in that file this information can be seen? We are aware she had BHO2 Soebarkah removed from her passport in August 1968, but just where is it stated Barack is now an Indonesian citizen in no need of an American passport?
503 posted on 03/12/2014 12:27:00 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
I’m still looking forward to your reply.
Oh, to hell with it!
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