Obama will be much worse than Romney in terms of the Catholic Church. Romney is not for imposing his Massachusetts plan on the country but for repealing Obamacare. Also, Romney would more likely appoint pro-life judges than Obama. Obama is pure evil. Mitt, in his currently stated policies, is more of a shade of gray, and one has to make a prudential, pragmatic judgment as to which is the least bad alternative. Catholic faith does not tell us to throw prudence out the window, but in fact extols prudence. Some may be called to live a life without any contact with the world in a purified seclusion, but they’re mainly religious, but we laity are called to do what we can in the world, and if we have to compromise to make things a little better than otherwise, then we should. I guarantee you you will find some moral flaw in the positions and or actions of every single politician — according to your standards that would mean we shouldn’t vote for anyone. After all everyone is a sinner, perhaps even Ronaldus Magnus himself. You hyper purists will objectively make this country worse, because not voting for Romney will objectively help Obama. Apparenlty you guys care not a fig to have Atheistic Communism established in our land in slow motion, because that is what Obama is trying to establish, and Romney is not.
Why is that that people who are supporters of Romney seem to always resort to “if you don’t support Romney, you don’t care about the country”, or some similar phrase.
That is not the case at all.
We do not support Romney because he is a liberal.
I understand Romney has said he wants to repeal ObamaCare, his staff and advisers say he will not.
I understand you are hoping he appoints pro-life judges, however his political records shows he did not and why would he, he is not pro-life.
Romney has a long political history, and it is not conservative or even conservative leaning.
For Romney to live and govern as a liberal, then today say he supports conservative ideals is stretching the bounds of credulity. He can not now say “I have always been a conservative”, and somehow have that wipe away his record, requires a great deal of faith in hope and change.
If those who want to support Romney fine, let’s not pretend its because he is a conservative, he is not.
All Romney is, is not Obama. That in and of itself maybe enough for some but not all.
“Obama. Obama is pure evil. Mitt, in his currently stated policies, is more of a shade of gray...”
Gray is more dangerous than black. Republicans will follow RINOmney into all sorts of rationalized foolishness and progressive evil, instead of opposing clear evil.
Opposing Obama may win the short-term, but guarantees the failure of the party and nation in the long-term, by supporting a man who has acted to support all kinds of evil.
RINOmneys stated poisons now are just words to get elected. He remains a statist enemy.
As a missionary, Romney devoted himself to converting French Catholics to his anti-Christian religion. His entire Mormon life is devoted to the conversion of Christians, into non-Christians, and Mormons consider Catholics as easier to win over.
You hyper purists ....
I guarantee you you will find some moral flaw in the positions and or actions of every single politician — according to your standards that would mean we shouldn’t vote for anyone.
***That’s a fantastic argument against hyper purists. The only problem is, there are very few hyper purists on FR, if any. It is a straw argument, setting up someone into a position that they don’t hold so that you can argue against it.
Now, let's get a few things straight.
There are various forms of what passes for Catholicism that exist in our land. It would be entertaining to watch you try to defend your version to my pastor. My Catholicism is not the Kumbaya variety. I don't sit around the old campfire crooning Kumbaya while selling out Catholic doctrine and conservative principles just to make nice with the enemies of both. I don't live in a Pollyanna world in which something becomes right because I really, REALLY, really want it to be.
Romney says he will repeal and REPLACE Obamacare. That means renaming the overwhelming majority of Obamacare as National Romneycare. What on earth makes you think otherwise??? The pissant had a track record in Massachusetts and George McGovern in his prime could not have done worse on issues that matter.
I don't really give a damn what Mittler's "stated policies" may be this week. Governor Etch-a-Sketch has an entire career of lies, deceptions, convenient changes of what passes for his conscience, and all purpose GOP elitist windtunnelism behind him and he is not about to change his ways at 65. Anyone who believes any of his self-serving lies is a fool. Lucy is teeing up that football, Charlie Brown, and this time she REALLY promises not to pull it away at the last second.
Romney never appointed a single "pro-life judge" in Massachusetts. Why would he start now? On this issue: Obama vs. Romney: Advantage to neither. You owe an apology to "gray" for accusing Mittler of being a shade of it.
Please stop the silly pretension that I HAVE to make what you erroneously call a prudential, pragmatic judgment as to which of these gross evils (Obozo or Mittler) is "the least bad alternative." I don't have to make any such judgment. I can refuse to sell my soul and I can vote for Tom Hoefling all in one election while voting AGAINST Obozo AND Mittler.
My Catholic Faith tells me to be accountable to God for the decisions I make in life, including election decisions. My Catholic Faith does not suggest that I compromise with either of this year's major party POTUS evils and materially cooperate with militant pro-aborts, and militant cheerleaders for all things rump ranger. Sorry about your faith. I don't normally argue religion here but you are mischaracterizing Catholicism while you claim to be Catholic. You are effectively claiming that God wants Catholics to support an ahortion-loving, lavender queen supporting excuse for a POTUS candidate. You are thereby scandalizing Catholics. Silence is not an option in the face of scandal.
Is it now unacceptably "hyper purist" for Catholics to refuse material cooperation with the mass murder of babies and with the everlasting promotion of fudge-packing??? What would "moderation" look like in your imagination?
"Atheistic communism???" That is promoted by the GOP-E as well as by the Obozos. The only difference is that the Romney types worship two false gods: MONEY and POWER! And the Obozo types simply worship power (and NOT in our name). I was not aware that either Obozo or Romney are in slow motion in trying to wreck our republic. Any evidence for that "prudential judgment" other than candidates' self-serving lies?
Everyone IS a sinner. It's a fallen world. See Mr. and Mrs. Adam at the very outset. That is not the standard for repudiating politicians. The standard is that neither Obozo nor Romney have any redeeming features whatsoever to be POTUS. I have voted for each and every GOP nominee from Nixon in 1968 to McCain in 2008. That constitutes (with the exception of Ronaldus Maximus) more than a fair amount of compromise. If I had those votes to cast again, I would not vote for Gerald Ford and perhaps not for Nixon in 1968. Ask yourself how many GOP voters of such consistency will refuse to vote for the likes of Romney.
How many babies' lives are you willing to trade for slightly lower taxes or a bit less regulation? If you claim to be a Catholic (which covers a broad territory in the US because of a generation or two of bad bishops whose successors today are far better and resulting bad catechesis), then you belong to a Church which (whatever your pastor may claim) is famed for resisting evil and not promoting it or compromising with it. Prudence has nothing to do with it. For nearly 2,000 years, we have turned shovels of dirt on the graves of each and every enemy. How many divisions has Stalin NOW??? Neither Obozo nor Romney will escape that fate. That is guaranteed by the very Highest Authority.
As to "contact" with the world, I was a Reagan State Chairman when he challenged Feckless Ford. I was also a staffer when Reagan was a convention candidate in 1968. How about you? Singing Kumbaya with our enemies around the old campfire does not count!
In ancient pagan imperial Rome, the "prudent" thing to do was for Christians (Catholics) to throw a few grains of wheat in the fire to indicate a willingness to worship the false god that was each emperor. Then the pater familia could go back to his home, his hearth and his family and his bakery or whatever and live his life. The ones we admire were willing to be torn apart by wild beasts at the Circus Maximus rather than worship (even in that minor way) a false god. There were emperors such as Marcus Aurelius who were near infinitely superior to such trash as Romney or Obozo. There were also Caligulas, Neros, Commoduses and Diocletians who more closely resemble our modern politicians (in BOTH parties) whether you want to admit it or not.
55 million sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent babies and counting. Congratulations on "prudence" and its results.