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To: philman_36

Circumstantial is what we’re left with when there’s NO primary evidence in sight. NONE presented to ANY court, even though there were ample opportunities. We’re to believe that the “birth certificate” is real. If so, then why did he not present it to the very first judge? Why did he not present it to ANY reporter who asked to see it? Why is it still not available for scrutiny? Why did Mr. Lakin go to prison when Obama could have simply showed him the document?

There are no documents to authenticate forensically, or even SEE. There are NONE.

People have gone to the gas chamber on circumstantial evidence alone. It’s legitimate evidence and sometimes, it’s all there is. Anybody who’s ever sat on a jury knows that. The evidence is presented. The jury weighs it and decides. OFTEN in a jury trial, there is conflicting evidence. It’s the jury’s decision to weigh credibility. Imho, Obama has none.


754 posted on 08/12/2012 2:14:13 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
Circumstantial is what we’re left with when there’s NO primary evidence in sight.
Purportedly primary evidence has been presented, though you and I both know only the original can be such, and it has been shown to be forged.
However, as I said in reply 716, even a lesser charge of uttering hasn't been filed by anyone, anywhere. Even Arpaio has failed in that regard.

In this instance of MX and Sarruf being the mother and father even what has been presented as "circumstantial" is in reality nothing more than conjecture and rampant speculation.

Add to that the fact that those who support this theory won't even state plainly how they've come to their conclusions. It's all hush-hush and super secret with smoke and mirrors thrown in for good measure.

I've seen no primary evidence to support this theory. Have you?

758 posted on 08/12/2012 3:02:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Greenperson; Brown Deer; little jeremiah
Greenperson, your statement on circumstantial evidence is central to the person presenting himself as "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.":

Circumstantial is what we’re left with when there’s NO primary evidence in sight. NONE presented to ANY court, even though there were ample opportunities. We’re to believe that the “birth certificate” is real. If so, then why did he not present it to the very first judge? Why did he not present it to ANY reporter who asked to see it? Why is it still not available for scrutiny? Why did Mr. Lakin go to prison when Obama could have simply showed him the document?

There are no documents to authenticate forensically, or even SEE. There are NONE.

People have gone to the gas chamber on circumstantial evidence alone. It’s legitimate evidence and sometimes, it’s all there is. Anybody who’s ever sat on a jury knows that. The evidence is presented. The jury weighs it and decides. OFTEN in a jury trial, there is conflicting evidence. It’s the jury’s decision to weigh credibility. Imho, Obama has none.

What is clear is that the evidence presented by DBA Obama is forged, fabricated, altered, suppressed, suspect, stonewalled, hence not authentic, not complete, not credible, inadmissible.

The personal statements have been contradictory, continually revised, ultimately unreliable.

The documents are blatant concoctions (the shadow under the text of the birth certificate when laser printing bonds the ink to the paper eliminating any possibility of shadow).

The transcripts are embargoed.

The photographic record is laughable.

As to your question in re why would a son be more at risk than a daughter, some considerations.

Malcolm X was under FBI surveillance beginning in 1951. The first raid with shots fired was in 1957.

The FBI placed a number of its operatives in NOI to neutralize Malcolm X, and this likely became a kill operation.

The FBI operative ("former FBI agent") John X Ali Simmons met with the convicted/confessed assassin the night before the Audubon Ballroom shooting.

This is years after the birth and transfer to Indonesia of the son.

The daughters were likely no more targets than Betty.

The son bore a double mark: he had to be hidden to protect Malcolm's reputation, but he would bear a target upon him as a potential successor.

After all, in NOI, Elijah's sons and grandson had leadership positions.

Cora Weiss soon began weaving Barack Hussein Obama into an airlift which never happened.

He declared in 1962 that he had last been in Kenya seven years prior, making it 1955. No airlift for him.

Yet it looms large in the legend.

The son of the man who was suspended from NOI for calling the JFK assassination "chickens comin' home to roost" spent two decades in the church of the man who called 911 "chickens comin' home to roost".

There is a sense of completion in the hypothesis.

There is no Kenyan father nor Kansan mother.

We're not in Kansas anymore.


788 posted on 08/13/2012 12:45:37 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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