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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

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To: Fred Nerks
Does Marable come right out anywhere and say MX actually shagged Sharruf?
721 posted on 08/11/2012 6:05:08 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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WHAT WIKI WON’T TELL YOU:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19640807&id=3Y4EAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XTEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7213,3901058


722 posted on 08/11/2012 6:09:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
He also appears to have had an extramarital affair with a female follower and probably a tryst with an admirer while travelling abroad.

I haven't read the book so who was it? Or do you know?
Surely Marable named names, didn't he?

723 posted on 08/11/2012 6:09:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
Malcolm developed a close relationship with William Paul Lennon, a wealthy gay white man in his late fifties, who paid Malcolm for sex.


724 posted on 08/11/2012 6:10:53 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
lol, so much for that "monogamous marriage"
725 posted on 08/11/2012 6:16:16 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
Well look what you turned up! That's AMAZING! Malcolm X made contact with such Communist activists as Mrs. DuBois.

What is the date on that? 1964?

Yep...@Beaver County Times - Aug 6, 1964

He shagged her in 1964?

Where is the info that he shagged Sharruf?

726 posted on 08/11/2012 6:20:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer

So how does his queer dalliances tie in with him impregnating Sharruf?


727 posted on 08/11/2012 6:23:18 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks; PhilDragoo

fits with the photo.

check out the movie schedule on the far right. You could go see all of those classics that week for half the price of one ticket nowadays.


728 posted on 08/11/2012 6:26:06 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
notice the resemblance?

philman_36 philman_36
729 posted on 08/11/2012 6:32:57 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

I noticed the repeated appearance of a most uncommonly used word...a word that is both offensive and totally unnecessary, which oddly enough also appears on the movie poster...But I’m not here any more, I just wanted to post a bit of information for the record, that might be of interest to those who come to the thread after us.


730 posted on 08/11/2012 6:40:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer; Fred Nerks
Come on, guys! Here's an article from 2005 on his queerdom.

Malcolm X - gay black hero? 18 May 2005
Later, Malcolm worked as a butler to a wealthy Boston bachelor, William Paul Lennon.

What has any of this got to do with him knocking up Sharruf?

And if you keep going down this road of marital infidelity by both parties of the marriage and homosexual proclivities on his part you might lead people to believe that he couldn't be the father of anybody and this whole Malcolm X as the daddy theory gets blown to hell.

731 posted on 08/11/2012 6:43:08 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks

Very interesting article about MX at that link.


732 posted on 08/11/2012 6:43:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Brown Deer

P.S. I’ve never watched an Austin Powers movie...and the man on the right could be a really nice fellow, the camera just caught him in a bad light?
I just wouldn’t want to meet him in an ally.


733 posted on 08/11/2012 6:46:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
...a word that is both offensive and totally unnecessary, which oddly enough also appears on the movie poster...

And you're so cute, child, with your sly little efforts to include me without including me.

You're an Aussie. I used shagged as it's a word you should be comfortable with.

Would you prefer fornicated? Is that proper enough for you?
How about boinked? Or laid the salami to her? Maybe bang, bed or roll in the hay would sooth your delicate sensibilities.

Saran Wrap

734 posted on 08/11/2012 6:51:38 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
But I’m not here any more...

Whew! That's a mental issue to be sure!

...I just wanted to post a bit of information for the record, that might be of interest to those who come to the thread after us.

How does any of the information you posted prove that MX sired Obama or had children by any woman other than his wife Betty?

735 posted on 08/11/2012 6:55:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks

At the newspaper link there is a very interesting article protesting against the use of voting machines, as observers can’t verify each vote visually.

Now we have computer crap voting checked out by some company in Spain! Anything to muck up voting and increase fraud. Sickening.


736 posted on 08/11/2012 8:48:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; little jeremiah; David; Polarik; FARS

In the review of Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention by Manning Marable, a number of significant points are made by the reviewer:

Malcolm regarded his marriage to Betty as "a nuisance."

Malcolm developed a close relationship with William Paul Lennon, a wealthy gay white man in his late fifties, who paid Malcolm for sex.

All the body language of the performer formerly known as Barry Soetero recoiling from the partner provided him by Bernadine Dohrn for the good of the revolution.

All the stories, from Larry Sinclair, to Mssrs. Young, Bland and Spenser at Wright's Lounge, the roommate on the couch, the girlfriends out of thin air, the appearance of the "pair as wealthy and gay."

His views on same-sex marriage have evolved.

Taqiya is elastic, accommodating that which furthers the war though it violate the technicalities of sharia.

Such matters appear frivolous considering the reviewer's comment:

But according to critics the book's only major shortcoming is failing to provide solid information regarding the FBI and the New York Police Department’s investigation of the Nation of Islam and how much either agency knew in advance about the assassination team that killed Malcolm X at the Audubon Ballroom in New York in 1965.

In The Murder and Martyrdom of Malcolm X by James W. Douglass, 2002, we see that four years after Malcolm's death the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI's Chicago office stated that:

Over the years, considerable thought has been given and action taken with Bureau's approval, relating to methods through which the NOI, could be discredited in the eyes of the general black populace. . . .Or through which factionalism among the leadership could be created. . .Factional disputes have been developed--the most notable being MALCOLM X LITTLE.

"The FBI developed the factional dispute that led to Malcolm's death by first placing at least one of its people high within the Chicago headquarters of the Nation of Islam."

In the 1964 book When the Word is Given by Louis Lomax, it was inadvertently revealed that the FBI had placed John X Ali Simmons in the Chicago office prompting Malcolm's split with NOI March 8, 1964.

Douglass lists other reliable FBI sources as Abdul Basit Naeem, a Pakistani journalist who served as an NOI publicist. Hassan Sharrieff, Elijah Muhammad's grandson and Wallace Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad's son.

In 1957 Malcolm met in Harlem with visiting Indonesian President Achmed Sukarno, whom the CIA had targeted for removal from power. Sukarno was extremely impressed with Malcolm.

FBI Chicago field office told Hoover in January 1958 Malcolm had become Elijah's heir apparent. The COINTELPRO operation under William Sullivan announced:

The secret to disabling the (NOI) movement, therefore, lay in neutralizing Malcolm X.

The FBI began using the New York Police Department which had beat a Black Muslim, resulting in an angry crowd of 2,600 blacks which Malcolm peacefully dispersed with a wave of his hand--causing a police inspector to comment, "No man should have that much power."

NYPD detectives raided Malcolm's apartment May 24, 1958 firing shots into his office. He went to the United Nations and ultimately won a 24 million dollar suit, settling out of court.

February 4, 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover sent a confidential memorandum detailing Malcolm's travel plans to the CIA Director, the Deputy Director of Plans (the CIA office under which Cold War assassinations were carried out), the Army's Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Director of Naval Intelligence, the Chief of the Air Force Counterintelligence Division, an office in London whose name was so sensitive that it was deleted from the document and another such office in Paris. At the same time, the CIA was reportedly planning to murder Malcolm and his travels to England and France were being tracked by practically the entire U.S. intelligence network.

Zero was in Indonesia when the deal went down February 21, 1965 at the Audubon Ballroom in Harlem. John Ali met with confessed assassin Talmadge Hayer the night before Malcolm X was killed. John Ali described by Louis Lomax as a former FBI agent.

Robert Mueller is retained for two additional years; the Bureau holds sensitivity sessions vis-a-vis treatment of Muslims.

John Brennan was first choice as DCI; Brennan has been in the vanguard of removing any connection in the official record of the words Muslim and terrorism.

The question of identity is a life and death matter.

In the words of Marathon Man's fugitive Nazi, "Is it safe?"


737 posted on 08/12/2012 2:25:38 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: PhilDragoo
I cannot find a coherent narrative in your disjointed list of claimed facts and events. There is nothing in your comment that points to any possible relationship between Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf at any time in any place.

IMO, the Manning book points to Malcolm X having been a homosexual prostitute and live-in boy-toy and servant for a wealthy white homosexual and points to Malcolm X not being very interested in having sex with women, period...black or white...other than for keeping up appearances of being a good Muslim.

The suggestion that he might had had one or two affairs with women outside his marriage are not developed and the race of the women is not posted, but you can be sure that if the women were WHITE it would be in neon letters. If anything, the Manning revelations make it much LESS likely that Malcolm X had anything to do with any white woman, especially a Christian, Valerie Sarruf, IMO.

738 posted on 08/12/2012 7:08:57 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: PhilDragoo

I didn’t know all that stuff about MX. No wonder he wanted to hide his son carefully.


739 posted on 08/12/2012 10:36:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Seizethecarp; PhilDragoo
There is nothing in your comment that points to any possible relationship between Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf at any time in any place.

Thanks for saving me from having to point out that same thing again, and again, and again...

...you can be sure that if the women were WHITE it would be in neon letters.
If any woman were CHRISTIAN it would also be in neon letters.

740 posted on 08/12/2012 11:15:05 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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