Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

Online TV Show Links

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Shortcuts...

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty  (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

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Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[TexKat]

Thank you brigette. You are great!!

[stlnative]

you have a good memory to remember he called the beach by name.

[TexKat]

One of the guest that was on Fox News yesterday stated that the Equusearch group would be searching in the northwest area today, near the California lighthouse.

Tim Miller of Equusearch stated yesterday that the search today would be very dangerous.

[radiohead]

i was going to say a young anthony quinn

Yes! I knew he reminded me of someone.

[vigilante2]

I believe it goes something like this:

J:  PaPa, Im afraid I may be in some kind of trouble!

P: What is it son?

J:  I picked up an American girl tonight PaPa and had to bump her off

no need to worry though me, Satin & Depunk took care of the body

P: Then what seems to be the trouble son?

J: Well PaPa, what if the Americans come looking for me some of them saw us leaving Carlo's together last night

P: Well son no need to worry..no body no crime right....just tell them you dumped her off at the Holiday Inn..I'll talk to some of the boys down the station and you won't tell your MaMa I was out gambling all night a deal?

J: Ok PaPa it's a deal

[TexKat]

you have a good memory to remember he called the beach by name.

I did not catch the name of the beach last night and so it was my intention to get it from the transcript today. But then it was not recorded in the transcript.

What sparked my interest was Croes's deviation from going directly to the Holiday Inn, why was he going to other places. But I guess that is understandable, something (known locations) just pop in ones head when one is searching for someone.

[stlnative]

Arashi, Boca Catalina and Malmok Beaches, near the California Lighthouse, are all part of the Arashi Underwater Park. Calm water, gentle currents, shallow reefs, and superb visibility make them popular swimming and snorkeling sites. There are a few shade huts at Arashi but no other facilities. Snorkelers spot large elk horn coral, sponges, and schools of colorful fish six to 30 feet below the water’s surface. Steady winds at Malmok draw windsurfers

[texasbluebell]

I could have sworn Croes said Arashi beach, but maybe I heard him incorrectly.

Was just googling Arashi beach, and it is apparently near the lighthouse -- is there only the 1 lighthouse up on the north, where N was supposedly taken, at least in one of the stories?

[twigs]

I agree about the brothers. The security guard Greta interviewed said that Deepak believed N would be coming back soon, so he wouldn't have realized the impact of lying. Actually, I believe that. Otherwise why would he lie and get into trouble (unless he was part of the deed and I doubt he was). Friend's dad who is a member of the legal establishment asks him to concoct story and he does. If she's just disappeared and he expects her to come home, then why not? Drugs are a problem there and he may have suspected that Joran had given her some, so he lies to help his friend cover it. But once he learns that N is really missing, his lying has him in very hot water. Not sure, just a thought. I don't have strong views one way or the other yet, but I still suspect Daddy is more guilty than they think.

All of my laundry is dirty. I see what I'll be doing over the Fourth!

[cajungirl]

bookmark

[TexKat]

Arashi, Boca Catalina and Malmok Beaches, near the California Lighthouse, are all part of the Arashi Underwater Park. Calm water, gentle currents, shallow reefs, and superb visibility make them popular swimming and snorkeling sites. There are a few shade huts at Arashi but no other facilities. Snorkelers spot large elk horn coral, sponges, and schools of colorful fish six to 30 feet below the water’s surface. Steady winds at Malmok draw windsurfers

According to the people that were on the news talk show yesterday the northwest section that is assumed to be the search location for today has a fast, swift current.

The other side is said to be different.

[texasbluebell]

So it was Arashi.

[stlnative]

Picture of the beach area called Hadikurari Beach, directly south of Malmok, is also called Fisherman’s Huts.

http://www.arubatravelshop.com/hadikurari_bch.htm
(large rocks in the water)

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Beach Map
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg

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Hadikurari Beach – This beach is known for terrific snorkelling and is the island’s Mecca for windsurfing. Every June Hadikurari hosts the Hi-Winds World Challenge, which is an important pro-am windsurfing competition. The shallow water makes for excellent swimming and facilities, which can be found at the beach, include picnic tables and shade huts, and the white sandy beach is flecked with pebbles and shells.

Arashi Beach – The calm surf and sandy bottom make this one of Aruba’s best swimming beaches. The sand is soft but does have pebbles and stones in it. There are a few beach huts, which provide protection from the sun. The Elkhorn coral is a great place for snorkelling.

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http://kitebeaches.com/mobile/spot.php?id=32

Fishermen's Hut, Hadikurari
Continent: Caribbean
Country: Aruba
Region: northwest
Next Big City(Airport): Oranjestad
Next Town: Malmok

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Goodies:

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Water:
Flat shallow water (waist deep).

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Beach:
The beach offers the easiest launching and access to the water. White powder sand, some pebbles and stones. No facilities, but there are some beach huts for shade.

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Weather:
Aruba is warm all year, 28-32°C. At night it doesn't cool down at all, it's only the sun missing, but the wind stays, so it can get a little chilly. You can count on some hotter days during the summer month (July-September). Aruba is mostly dry, even in the rainy season, the rain doesn't really last longer than 10 min. The water temperature is around 27°C, so forget your wetsuit!

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Wind:
North:
Northwest:
West:
Southwest:
South:
Southeast:
East:
Northeast:
It's blowing here in Aruba Northeast all year long, maybe some lighter days in the month of September-November and in the beginning of December. But that only means it won't blow every day over 15 knots. The chance you can kiteboard are always 90%. Don't forget your small kite sizes! Days of 25 knots are quite normal. Offshore winds.

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How to get there:
Only in the high season (November until Easter ) you need to reserve a rental car. Otherwise there are buses going from downtown to the hotel area and minibuses to any destination. Of course you can rent Scooters, Harleys, Squats/ 4weeler, horses, bikes as well. Take the main island highway from the hotel area all the way towards the lighthouse look to your left at the end of the housing area. Accessible car or taxi, or a 10-minute walk from the last bus stop on Malmok.

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Rules & Restrictions:
There are rules at the fishermen's hut. You may kite there before 10.00 am and after 5.00/6.00 pm. The time between you may not kite there, because of the windsurfing school.

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Arashi Beach
Arashi Beach
Near California Lighthouse

· Tip of the Northwest Coast ·
· Calm waters for swimming · Sandy bottom ·
· Soft, white sand beach · Some stones & pebbles ·
· No facilities · Limited palapas for shade ·
· Parking at site · Snorkel Elkhorn coral ·
· Bring your own snorkeling gear ·
· Access by car or taxi ·



Hadikurari- The Fisherman's Huts
Adjacent to Palm Beach
· Northwest Coast ·
· Shallow waters · Area popular with windsurfers ·
· Soft, white sand beach ·
· Access by car, bus or taxi ·



Malmok
South of Boca Catalina
· Northwest Coast ·
· Shallow waters · Snorkel abundance of fish ·
· Bring your own snorkeling gear ·
· Soft, white sand beach in some spots · Palapas ·
· Picnic tables · Some pebbles & shells ·
· Access by car or taxi ·


Boca Catalina
Boca Catalina
South of Arashi Beach
· Northeast Coast ·
· Shallow waters · Snorkel abundance of fish ·
· Some pebbles & shells · No nearby facilities ·
· White sand beach in some spots ·
· Beware horse manure from horseback riders ·
· Access by car or taxi ·

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Drugs are a problem there and he may have suspected that Joran had given her some, so he lies to help his friend cover it.

The Kalpoes may also have supplied Joran with the date rape drug, hence their motive for supporting his story, at least early on.

[Jrabbit]

Who was the young man with him in the car as he's driving to these places?

[stlnative]

do you have a direct link to that board?

[truthluva]

{What sparked my interest was Croes's deviation from going directly to the Holiday Inn, why was he going to other places. But I guess that is understandable, something (known locations) just pop in ones head when one is searching for someone.}

Do you think the deviation could have been due to the "young" guy that was riding with him? Just wondering of they were trying to think of places where young people hung out and that's why they didn't go back to HI.