Posted on 11/11/2006 5:38:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
A commission of experts appointed by President George W Bush will advise him to abandon his dream of cementing a new democratic system in Iraq and instead tackle the security crisis so that the withdrawal of American troops can begin.
The advice from the Iraq Study Group, a high-level bipartisan panel headed by James Baker, the former Republican secretary of state, will sideline the so-called Bush doctrine of spreading democracy in the Middle East. Mr Bush will meet the panel tomorrow and Tony Blair is expected to offer his views via a video-conference call on Tuesday.
Mr Gates is a member of the Iraq Study Group and has been a strong critic of his predecessor's handling of policy in Iraq and the use of pre-war intelligence. He will provide the White House with the political cover for changes that would have been unthinkable a few months ago.
The Baker panel, which has been charged with looking at all options for Iraq, is expected to recommend a phased US troop withdrawal, timed to accord with deadlines for Iraqi forces' taking responsibility for specific security zones.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Let the Dems be the sellouts, as they were with Vietnam...
If we bug out we should all abandon the delusion that the US is a superpower. We do not have the will and stamina as a nation to engage in warfare. In fact the safest course would be to drastically reduce the Army and the Marines to prevent us from getting into this situation again.
If a nation of 300 million cannot handle 3000 casulties over a the course of 3 years it isn't a serious military power.
Turning another victory into a defeat. I've got another word for the message we sent...surrender. We have let these people turn a lie into the "truth" about Iraq.
I think this is s prudent course.
Here's my view.
No U.S. troops ANYWHERE where their is a civil war going on. We can supply all the arms and light weapons to the side we support. Other than that. NO. U.S. troops unless out national security is directly threatenedQ! PERIOD!
No more this "democracy nation-building" utopia crap.
If we pull out of Iraq, will America ever have the ability to ever fight and win another war?
At least the Spanish were attacked first...
External enemies could never defeat us.
So the internal enemies and naive "useful idiots" will force us to surrender.
You are right, this is not the way a superpower behaves. But many in the US, mostly the Dems, but a number of other "useful idiots" have as a goal the destruction of the US as a superpower. Looks like they are succeeding.
Mr. President please resurrect the man that we came to trust in you after 911.
The voters might have wanted a "new direction" but we still trust that you will not give up the fight in Iraq.
The current statements from these terrorists says they will not stop until they have destroyed the white house tells me that they are not going to lay down arms no matter where we 'redeploy' to.
YES! We can win any war we want! We won the war in IRAQ. Why are so many of us being dumbfounded by this???? MILITARILY WE WON! The problem is AFTER THE WAR! We did not manage this properly. We decided to OWN THE COUNTRY without the infrastructer to support it.
From the United States Institute for Peace website.
See member #3 for the Iraq study group and check out their other crap.
Leon Pannetta is one of the study group. Gee, why is that name familiar......
http://www.usip.org/isg/members.html
Bin Laden's Fatwa Issued in 1996: "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Excerpt from Bin Laden's Declaration of War on the US in 1996
"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu. "
If this is what Bin Laden said after Somalia, just think what the terrorists will say, if we withdraw from Iraq before the job is done.
No one will ever risk siding with American again.
"NO. U.S. troops unless out national security is directly threatenedQ! PERIOD!"
How will we know, will they be knocking on our doors or what?
Somethimes you have to physically have 'boots on the ground' to claim or hold that territory.
I don't believe this for a moment; Bush will not change his strategy. Words may change and the face will change (Rummy to Gates) but the policy will be the same. What has happened here may just scare up enough of the Iraqi leadership to take some stronger actions (which I think they have been taking but just not getting any coverage). But mark it down, we will not cut and run, no time tables will be set, no retreat with defeat. We will pursue the same goals as before: an Iraqi government that can defend itself, sustain itself and govern itself and be an ally on the war on terror. The impatience of the american public is disheartening and the message that was sent to the terrorists is pretty frightening. We can thank a media that colludes with the dnc for that, and the inability of the President to get the message out. He needs to use the bully pulpit a LOT more and I certainly hope he does. He also needs to tell the media and the dems to stuff it regarding their statements about our troops and this mission. I hope that is coming. We need more Lynn Cheney's talking to the media.
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NEVER FORGET
Long ago Democrats "Forgot" about Democracy for a then Free South Vietnam, bringing about for all to sadly see in the End:
Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp
http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts
Now, in this new Time of War, with our own Freedom directly at stake here at home...
...it's...
...Quo Vadis, Iraq..?
...Quo Vadis, Afghanistan..?
...Quo Vadis, USA..?
(Quo Vadis = "Where go you..?" in Latin)
NEVER FORGET
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Too clever. There are plenty of keyboard warriors but 300 million aren't involved in the fight. Part of the problem, wouldn't you agree?
Bu, bu, but... The Donks have stated that if we get bin Laden and destroy al-Qaida that terrorism will be *dramatically* reduced. Right?
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