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NYC Police Free Suspicious Men Due to Alleged Lack of INS Cooperation
NY POST | 5-30-02 | Murray Weiss

Posted on 05/30/2002 9:11:57 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

NYC Police Free Suspicious Men Due to Alleged Lack of INS Cooperation

AP Thursday, May 30, 2002

By Murray Weiss

NEW YORK — Frustrated police in New York City had to free a suspicious group of illegal Middle Eastern aliens because the Immigration and Naturalization Service "didn't want to be bothered" on the Memorial Day weekend.

Not knowing whether the men they had nabbed were the hard-working immigrants they claimed to be or a terror gang plotting to wreak havoc, the local authorities had to let them walk in the end.

The mystery men — some with phony IDs, and all admitted illegal immigrants — could have been held if agents from the INS had bothered to show up.

"What's the point of stopping vans and risking your life when the one agency with power blows you off?" one angry lawman said. "And this is after Sept. 11."

"It's frightening and disheartening," said another. "The agency that handles immigration didn't want to come down" — although every other law-enforcement agency did. "They didn't even want to be bothered."

The INS didn't seem to have anybody on duty in New York City. The agency's contact number for the weekend rang at an office in Burlington, Vt., more than 300 miles away.

"The [expletive] INS has one phone working Memorial Day weekend and it's in Vermont?" said another incredulous law-enforcement official.

An INS spokesman said Wednesday, "Since Sept. 11, our primary focus has been on terrorist-related investigations and, contrary to belief, we are not in the business of detaining people without cause. These men posed no terrorist threat or, for that matter, any threat to the community."

But the cops had no reason to think that when they confronted the men Friday.

The case began about 4 p.m., when Bridges and Tunnels officers from New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority police stopped a battered van from entering the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, which links lower Manhattan and Brooklyn, from the Manhattan side.

The red-and-white 1990 cargo van had four Middle Eastern men jammed in front — one more than is legal.

The commercial vehicle also bore only an address, 1006 Coney Island Ave., stenciled on its side, and not a business name, as required by city law.

Officer Chris Lasalle opened the rear padlocked door and found three more men inside, a police report said.

The seven men, most of whom were from Pakistan, produced a variety of paperwork, including a phony government card obtained in Times Square, a bogus passport, an identification card from Virginia, and some New York state nondriver IDs.

They were taken to the officers' headquarters on the Brooklyn side of the tunnel, where detectives from the New York City Police Department Intelligence Division, the Joint Terrorist Task Force, the MTA, an assistant Brooklyn district attorney and interpreters had responded.

The suspects said they worked for a construction company, Gill Waterproofing and Roofing in Brooklyn, to which the van was registered.

At 6 p.m., the INS was called, but no agents responded. By 10 p.m. the Brooklyn district attorney's office, without INS intervention, had to release the four men who had what appeared to be legitimate IDs.

At midnight, detectives again called, but were referred to a toll-free INS number that connected them with the Vermont office, where a concerned supervisor took information and said a Manhattan supervisor would be notified by morning.

At 1 p.m., INS supervisor Frank Ciringione called, promising to provide instruction later, sources said.

When asked if he wanted to talk to the prosecutor handling the case, he indicated he didn't — unless he had to.

"They had a horrible attitude," one cop said of the INS.

Three hours later, Ciringione called back and told ADA Jacqueline Kagan to free the other suspects, saying "INS would follow up at a future date in our own way."

Ciringione declined to speak yesterday.


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 911; ins; islamicviolence; middleeasternmen; nyc; nypd
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I saw this this evening and wanted to bump this for the night owls here and dfu.
1 posted on 05/30/2002 9:11:58 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: DOUG FROM UPLAND
Add to Terror Force List...ping...Nothing like the good ole INS at work again.
2 posted on 05/30/2002 9:12:47 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Infuriating.
3 posted on 05/30/2002 9:14:45 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: demnomo
That is a polite term for this. Bush needs to shut the INS down NOW.
4 posted on 05/30/2002 9:17:15 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
I heard about this several times in the past day or so, and it just makes me so angry! The INS almost appears to one of those that Bush said "you are either with us, or you are with the terrorists". I think we can wonder whose side they are on sometimes.
5 posted on 05/30/2002 9:17:48 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: AAABEST
What you think?
6 posted on 05/30/2002 9:20:20 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: ladyinred
Yes I did too I heard it broke this morning but searched on here and couldn't find a title match and no discussion really on it. Pissed me off to no end.
7 posted on 05/30/2002 9:21:21 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
"...contrary to belief, we are not in the business of detaining people without cause. These men posed no terrorist threat or, for that matter, any threat to the community."

Ho hum. I guess INS doesn't "do" illegal aliens anymore.

8 posted on 05/30/2002 9:22:33 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: ladyinred
If the cops couldn't reach INS why didn't they try the FBI or state police. Did they really have to turn them loose so soon?
9 posted on 05/30/2002 9:23:19 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: martin_fierro
Yeah I thought that was exactly WHAT their job was. I mean they had fake i.d.'s even admitted to being illegal! Let go!UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10 posted on 05/30/2002 9:24:08 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: dalebert
I guess because they were not carrying their "Al Qaeda I.D. card" they were let go.
11 posted on 05/30/2002 9:25:26 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Bush needs to shut the INS down NOW.

Yeah, or at the least give dangerous idiots like INS supervisor Frank Ciringione da boot!!! I'd like to know where I can contact this moronic, lazy public servant. I'd give him a piece of my mind.

As for those creepy illegals from Pakistan with their phoney IDs, I'll bet that the Brooklyn roofing company that they supposedly work for is just as phoney...

12 posted on 05/30/2002 9:30:08 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: My Favorite Headache
I heard talk radio host Bob Grant bring up an interesting, butscary, point on today's program. He believes the INS has been infiltrated with America-hating Muslims, hispanic terrorists like La Raza, (maybe from the Mexican government, too) Russians, communists and other groups all to happy to see the destruction of America.

Since we will do NOTHING to stop it, what conclusion can one make from all of this?

13 posted on 05/30/2002 9:42:06 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: My Favorite Headache
My questions.
Are illegal aliens covered in our Constitution? I don't see where they are but the legal system seems to place them in equal status with us.

The INS is a joke. I've read too many stories of the corrupt and incompetent getting promotions.

I long for the enactment of Article I, Section 8. Protect our boarders and screw paying for Bill Gate's drug prescriptions.
14 posted on 05/30/2002 9:44:27 PM PDT by lizma
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To: My Favorite Headache
J B International 718-859-5392 1006 Coney Island Ave Brooklyn NY 11230

GOOGLE SEARCH

Call them, they may be, still, there!

15 posted on 05/30/2002 9:57:24 PM PDT by pkpjamestown
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To: Captainpaintball
Bob may have a point. It seems to me that there are more foreigners working for the customs service than you'd expect, ditto the INS. Where are the Americans competing for these jobs? Instead of "Troops to Teachers", Bush would do well to encourage a "Troops to the INS" program moving retiring service members into the INS. Perhaps what they are lacking is basic discipline.
17 posted on 05/30/2002 10:03:38 PM PDT by Norwell
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To: pkpjamestown
Not a reason in the world the home-town cops couldn't have held them over the weekend. If worst came to worse, they could have held them for a 72-hour psychiatric exam.

INS=bad. NYPD=almost just as bad for turning these scumbags loose. Illegal entry is against the law. Illegal papers, ditto.

18 posted on 05/30/2002 10:07:30 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: My Favorite Headache
I heard it broke this morning but searched on here and couldn't find a title match and no discussion really on it. Pissed me off to no end.

Same story, different article

Thanks for posting this one though, always good to have a second source and follow up.




19 posted on 05/30/2002 10:09:19 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Kenny Bunk
Hope the NYPD, whose idea of English gives anybody North of White Plains a headache, at least finger-printed photographed them, and searched the van, and the perps.

OBTW, could have held them for mandatory health checks, too. Come on local yokels, can't blame everything on the Feds. Use your powers. And your brains.

And don't use the old "Mo room at the jail" excuse, a tent and chain link fencing will do just fine.

20 posted on 05/30/2002 10:11:27 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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