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Master sergeant works at adding heft to Humvees in Iraq
European Stars and Stripes ^ | June 13, 2004 | By Terry Boyd

Posted on 06/14/2004 3:11:27 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

BAGHDAD — The ideal, soldiers say, is that no one in Iraq should have to go outside the wire in anything less than M-1114 factory up-armored Humvee.

The reality is, little more than 20 percent of Humvees in Iraq are armored, and some soldiers trust their survival to a few sandbags and steel sheets.

Until the ideal is attainable, Master Sgt. Dennis P. Lichtenberg is striving to create the best-protected Humvees short of an M-1114.

Lichtenberg has invented a system he calls “The Lick Kit,” a play on his nickname “Lick,” pinned on by fellow reservists from the Pensacola, Fla.-based 350th Civil Affairs Detachment Command.

His inspiration for the Lick Kit was the Feb. 16 roadside-bomb death of Spc. Nicole M. Frye, 19, who was on convoy-escort duty with the 415th Civil Affairs Command.

Since her death in an unarmored Humvee, Lichtenberg — the 350th CA force-protection noncommissioned officer in charge — has been tweaking a whole array of designs to give his soldiers a fighting chance on convoy escorts.

Lick Kits are built around a unique system of multiple energy absorption techniques that even incorporate old flak jackets that Lichtenberg brought to Iraq from his job as a deputy-sheriff with Broward County, Fla., sheriff’s department.

Each door has a “bullet box” with 6 mm-thick exterior plate, with a gap of six inches, then another 5-mm steel plate.

The first piece of steel absorbs most of a 7.62 mm round’s energy.

The slowed, mushroomed round then stops after hitting the second plate.

And to make sure the round stays in the bullet box, Lichtenberg puts the flak jacket inside the gap between the two.

To test his design, Lichtenberg fired an AK-47 at it from 25 yards, and it stopped the round.

Moreover, it stopped rounds from M-16s, which have greater penetration, he said.

Lick Kits focus on protecting Humvee drivers because insurgents often target drivers, realizing they’re focused on the road, he said.

It’s often the secondary crash after the driver loses control that kills the rest of the crew, or disorients them so they can’t return fire, Lichtenberg said.

In addition to the bullet boxes, drivers get a ballistic glass window.

“We don’t want him to shoot, just drive,” Lichtenberg said.

Other passenger doors get the bullet boxes, but not the glass in order to allow a wide-open field of fire.

Lick Kits aren’t perfect, “but are better than what we had before … no protection,” Lichtenberg said.

“Any time out of the Green Zone, you have a 50/50 chance” of being attacked.“It’s very stressful … and we’re trying to relay that to command.”

Any unit with even a few thousand dollars in force-protection funds can duplicate his designs, Lichtenberg said.

It costs about $2,500 for four kits, and he’s modified eight of his 20 vehicles.

Near his headquarters in the Green Zone, workers at an Iraqi fabrication business are building more kits under the supervision of manager Qhasan Murad.

The kits are always evolving, Lichtenberg added, and he jokes that it’s “German engineering at its finest,” alluding to his German ancestry.

He credits his father, Louis Lichtenberg, a retired Chrysler Corp. mechanic in Minneapolis, Minn., for teaching him how to shape steel to his needs.

“He always says, ‘If you’re going to do something, do it right,’ ” he said. Of course, when creative juices are flowing, not everything goes perfectly.

Some of the early ideas were awful, specifically drop-down doors, Lichtenberg said.

In theory, the doors would be easy-in, easy-out. But the weight made them too heavy to pull up.

Many of the best ideas and modifications came from soldiers, and Lichtenberg’s operation is something of a custom-design shop.

Spc. Jason Copeland, 20, a reservists from Pensecola, Fla., said he suggested steel curtains on the rear of passenger windows to protect the face and neck of soldiers the sitting position, yet allow them to fire out the windows.

And his truck — which has since been handed off — had diamond-patterned steel in the rear bed for surer footing.

Lick Kits are always evolving.

Steel floor plates slightly angled to the rear give soldiers a better chance of kicking grenades out of the vehicle.

Bullet box plates are concave for additional space, and to redirect rounds.

Lichtenberg says he and other soldiers have new ideas every day, including using rebar to build an exterior grid that would detonate rocket-propelled grenades before they penetrate Humvee doors.

The current modifications make Humvees look like a cross between a Brinks armored car and a Humvee — and the robustness is no small factor, soldiers say.

One model belongs to Brig. Gen. Sandy Davidson, the 350th CA commanding general.

“He loves his!” Lichtenberg said.

Other soldiers aren’t as enthusiastic, though all interviewed said Lick Kits are far better than what they had — nothing.

“The Iraqis see steel, and they don’t shoot as much,” said Sgt. Greg Greenlee, with the 350th CA. “I don’t know if they’ll stop a bullet [but] they’ll work for now.”

In his Humvee’s original configuration, the gunner’s entire body was exposed, said Spc. Mike Carter, a gunner with the 350th. “You were just out there in the wind. Now, a lot more ‘me’ is protected as a gunner.”

He added that he’s confident the armor will withstand a small arms attack.

But big questions remain about how well Lick Kits will protect against bombs and rocket-propelled grenades, Carter said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Florida; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: civilaffairs; hadjihardshell; humvee; humvees; iraq; lickkit; madmaxmobile; marines; uparmoredhumvee; wheeledarmor
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Terry Boyd / S&S

Soldiers suggested to Master Sgt. Dennis P. Lichtenberg that gunners should have a turret to protect them, and Lichtenberg even added a hatch to their Humvees.

Master Sgt. Dennis Lichtenberg is always tweaking Lick Kit designs with assistance from an Iraqi steel fabricator on the grounds of the Green Zone. A worker fits a new door — with angled steel plates on the exterior — on a Humvee.

Master Sgt. Dennis Lichtenberg shows the inside of the "bullet box" on the driver's side door of one of his specially modified Humvees. Note the old schrapnel vest Lichtenberg inserted, one more energy-absorbing measure between the exterior and interior steel plate.

Lick Kits add steel plates to nearly every section of an unarmored scout Humvee, making the vehicle look more robust. That's important, say soldiers, because the harder the vehicle looks, the less likely insurgents are to single it out for attack.

1 posted on 06/14/2004 3:11:28 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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2 posted on 06/14/2004 3:21:30 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

That sergeant deserves a serious commendation for his ingenuity it's just a shame that the U.S. govt. aint as quick on the uptake or as creative as this sergeant & the troops that are building & making improvements on the basic concept.
Heres a bright idea,get the folks that are dragging out the decision to get improved armor or who are trying to discourage the use of not invented by DoD armor kits over to the green zone as privates to run a couple of escort missionsin unarmored Hummers then in the field modified ones & then see which they prefer.


3 posted on 06/14/2004 3:30:18 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 REACH OUT & THUMP SOMEONE .50BMG REACH OUT & CRUSH SOMEONE!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
That man should get a spot on Monster Garage when he returns.
4 posted on 06/14/2004 3:36:13 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

...An army of one, looking out for his army, bravo!!!


5 posted on 06/14/2004 5:22:50 PM PDT by gargoyle
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Armor ping.


6 posted on 06/14/2004 5:27:09 PM PDT by humblegunner (Cycloaliphaticpolyamines!)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

...You might get away with sergeant, but in my experience, out of respect, it's Master Sergeant, the first time. Heck, he might say, "CALL ME SARG".(^%...


7 posted on 06/14/2004 5:33:30 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Analyze...Improvise....OVERCOME!... War is an evolving thing. You must keep thinking...keep expanding. This Msgt. is working towards the win.
8 posted on 06/14/2004 5:44:07 PM PDT by Khurkris (Will the wind ever remember the names it has blown in the past, It whispers no this will be the last)
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To: R. Scott
That man should get a spot on Monster Garage when he returns

what about getting the boys from Monster Garage to play around using gear available in-theater?

9 posted on 06/14/2004 5:45:06 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d

That's a great idea. Give them a humvee, a few Military advisors to keep them within spec (can't weigh more than this much, gotta fit in this size of transport space, gotta have steel this hard, etc.) and let them go.
Let them sort it out on camera.


10 posted on 06/14/2004 6:15:41 PM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: gargoyle

And you damned well better not call him "Sir!" He works for a living! (Just like I used to :) )


11 posted on 06/14/2004 6:18:12 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (God Bless You, Ronald Reagan.)
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To: R. Scott
The ideal, soldiers say, is that no one in Iraq should have to go outside the wire in anything less than M-1114 factory up-armored Humvee.

In whose interest is it to mislead soldiers into thinking war is ever fought under ideal conditions, and that when conditions are not ideal it is evidence of incompetence, malfeasance or neglect by the chain of command?

12 posted on 06/14/2004 6:27:49 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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To: Khurkris

Yeah, but it doesn't look as cool as an M1114, and it's not air conditioned. The company on the other side of the compound has M1114's, why don't we? It's not fair! Just because we haven't been activated since 1945 is no excuse for us not to have the same equipment they have. Our troops deserve the best! I'm going to email my hometown newspaper and tell them it's all Bush's fault.


13 posted on 06/14/2004 6:38:10 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

...you troublemaker....heh heh heh...


14 posted on 06/14/2004 6:41:26 PM PDT by Khurkris (Will the wind ever remember the names it has blown in the past, It whispers no this will be the last)
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Soldiers in Iraq too vulnerable, says Army specialist
15 posted on 06/14/2004 6:41:29 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for posting this. I don't mean to denigrate the innovative efforts of this fine NCO, but this is a good illustration of the complex nature of this problem. The easy part of this equation is protection against 7.62mm ball and AP ammunition. 12.7 mm is much harder to protect against. Even harder, is the requirement to protect against the blast and overpressure effects of Improved Explosive Devices (IEDs). The Army standard armor plating was developed against the projectile threat. It was largely ineffective against the blast of IEDs. Hence, the new standard and new Add On Armor (AOA) kits. Most injuries today come from IED's, not 7.62 and 12.7 projectiles.

The other problem is that the M1114 is a very poor design as far as a combat vehicle is concerned. Your really can't fight from a M1114. Most units are telling us that are willing to sacrifice passive protection for the ability to fight from the vehicle - some armor but multiple machine gun mounts on all corners and improved automotive performance. Of course, when the politicians get involved, all common sense goes out the window which is basically where we are now.


16 posted on 06/14/2004 6:45:06 PM PDT by centurion316 (Infantry, Queen of Battle)
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17 posted on 06/14/2004 6:54:24 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the post. Another fine example of U.S. soldier ingenuity. Ranks right up there with the Hedgrow blade of Normandy and the advent of gunships in Vietnam, to name a few. I hope this NCO gets an incentive award for his efforts.


18 posted on 06/14/2004 7:02:15 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: centurion316
This:

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19 posted on 06/14/2004 7:18:11 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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20 posted on 06/14/2004 7:34:21 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out)
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