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A good friend who hews closer to the old establishment than I do responded, asking what if the voters don’t know what is in their own interests.

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I can understand saying this to a child (or perhaps an very young adult), but to hold this view against tens of millions of mature adults is nothing short of ludicrous contempt for one’s countrymen.

Salon: Conservatives Are New ‘Good Germans’ of Nazi Era, Seek ‘Friendly Fascism’

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And they wonder why we think they are the enemy.

stupid article. biden wants it and he got it without any resistance whatsoever. his EOs have become law of land right away(he will just ignore if any court tries to stop it)so he is wildly suucessful.

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Yep...an incredibly dumb article. All these people are new Dem voters in the making. Of course, there’s some National Review writer conjuring up an article right now about how these are really “conservative voters by nature” and will readily embrace the “compassionate conservatism” of the GOPe if we just elect them.

“...the right is fast tiring of Trumps.”

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Oh no they ain’t.

In hindsight it’s clear just how big of a tool McCain really was.

Sorry. Can’t say I support the patriot-purged, commie-
led military. No toys for you. Slash the budget and defund.

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Amen! There are more walls and troops guarding the Degenocrat Party in Washington than guarding our borders. The days if simping for our new “Wesley Clark”-led military need to come to an end.

Joining the military in this day and age means being used as a tool to further globalism. Young men and women need to be warned about how our government views them.

I’m just glad the AP is as concerned about all the Left-wingers getting fired up by their pols. /s

For all the vandalism, riots, death-threats, harrassment, and censorship that the Left is doing, I’d say they need to work hared on that part though.

The Republican Party should be praising the Proud Boys left and right. The fact that they are not shows you that most of them are really just Dem-lite.

The answer to the Supreme Court’s reluctance to take on the 2020 Election fraud was intimidation. The Dems threatened to stack the Supreme Court with more positions. This would destroy the system that had worked since 1869 when nine positions had been instituted.

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This is why we need a party that intimidates. When we have the power, we need to counter-stack. If not, then the law-abiding citizens of this country will always be a step behind the degenerate party...never quite able to fix the problems that they create.

Well, the Dems are bipartisan, so we should be too. /s

As I said in most Western countries homosexuality is not a “crime of man”, but the standard for human society is well below that of A Christian, Muslim, or Hebrew conception of God. I mention this because I do not want you to think it’s just Christianity “piling on”. The condemnation of homosexuality is orthodoxy. There is no way to escape that without radically transforming these faiths into something utterly different from what their founders intended.

Here are some biblical versus that condemn homosexuality:

Old Testament:
Leviticus 18:22-24
Leviticus 20:13
1 Kings 15:12
1 Kings 22:46

New Testament
1st Corinthians 6:9
1st Timothy 1:9-11
Romans 1 21-27
Jude 1:7

There are Qur’anic versus that condemn homosexuality in very strong language as well. You should not have to look very hard to find them.

Now let me also be clear. I work with homosexuals, bisexuals, and transgenders. I have met and interacted cordially with people from many, many different walks of life. There are just as many people on the political LEft where I work as on the political Right. Some of the people I work with are VERY far to the politcial Left. We can argue that God “made these people just as they are”. But I hope you will pause to give this argument of validation some serious thought. You are headed down the path of validating everyone and everything just because it seems “nice” or “kind” or “pleasing” or “loving”. There are many things that we THINK lead to happiness but do not. You must be very careful because many of these things not only do not bring happiness, but they ultimately cause icredibale unhappiness to themselves and to others. Consider for a moment how much misery the whole Woke movement is causing in an attempt to compel others to validate their views? Consider what the whole diverity and inclusion movement must do to indoctrinate the overwhelming majority of people to to beleive (when they clearly do not)?

I’ll address your last question then stop. God created Ghengis Kahn, Joseph Stalin, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and Jeffrey Dahmer. Do you want to argue that these men should be allowed to act according to their nature because that’s “how God made them?” I hope not. I’ll even go one step further. Someone can sit in thier house - all alone harming no one else - and drink themselves happily to death. Maybe they just love to party and that’s how they want to live thier life. Do I have to just accept that as good? Should I not confront that person and say something (especially if they are freind or relative)? They could get mad at me if I do that. They might even get VERY mad, but if I love them I’ll do it. Even if I don’t have the courage to do that, at the very least I will NOT encourage their behavior and tell them that they are doing a good thing.

Even if you do not agree with me. I hope that you understand that I am coming from a position of care and consideration...not just someone who likes to run other people down.

There is nothing conservative about your position. In fact, the vast majority of people on Earth would find it radical

The fact that homosexual orientation exists does NOT logically infer that it should be validated, edorsed, and practiced. Just like the fact that adulterers, alcoholics, and gamblers (just to name a few) exists does not validate their existence, nor does it mean they should be encouraged.

I suggest you revise based on that truth.

Is it a crime for two consenting ADULTS to love each other, Bishop?

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Again, you’re still missing the point. It’s not a crime for me to “love” adultery, gambling, drunkeness, lying, homosexuality, bisexuality, sexual attraction to under age youth. None of those are crimes of man in many places.

The two people you describe as having a cute little “tree house...on a bluff” are not merely asking society to grudgingly tolerate them. IF that were the goal of same-sex movement, then conservatives woud NOT be anywhere near boiling point like they are now. But that is decidedly NOT the goal of the same-sex validation movement. The goal is to be seen as equal to heterosexual relations in validity. This is a position that will NEVER be accepted by the vast majority of humanity.

And you Spectrum analogy is a bad one. A spectrum implies a much more equal distribution of feelings/opinions along its length. Even with the massive indoctrination that’s been going on for decades, only a small fraction of people identify as non-heterosexuals. That’s not much of a “Spectrum”.

...not all gays are pedophiles. What 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom is none of my concern. Pedos are a different story.

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That’s beside the point. The same argument that is made for a practicing homosexual can be made for a practicing pedophile. Namely, this is how I feel, therefore this is WHO I AM.

Now to play Devil’s Advocate even further, there have been many historical examples of cultures allowing people to marry at early ages. Even in the US today some states allow people to marry at 15 (with parental consent). The only difference between consenting gays and consenting “old and young” is that the latter is criminalized. But if pedos “are just made that way” and a younger person (say 14 years old+) wants to have a consensual relationship with them, then on what grounds does one ban it. Within the Catholic Church, for example, the Age of Accountability is 14. I beleive in many branches of Judaism it’s 13. Heck, we even let kids make a “decision for Christ” at very young ages. But wouldn’t we like to be able to say that some forms of sexual expression are just wrong (regardless of whether you do it privately or not)?

They are exactly as God made them.

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I suppose peadophiles are “exactly as God made them too.”

It’s the other priorities that kill boycotts.

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I think you are right. That’s why it’s easier to seek a statist solution. Instead of making me and other users change. Make the buisiness change....or else. The Left knows this even better than the Right. The many (but not all) on the Right live under the delusion that they can still get a reasonably conservative, law-and-order society with market forces being a BIG contributer to that. Now it’s becoming clear that “the market” could give a flip about nationhood, culture, citizenship, soveriegnty, etc. ,etc. It’s first order of business is wealth accumulation uber alles. Now that has been known since forever, but it’s only recently that conservatives have had all the howitzers pointed at them instead of acting in defense of thier cause.

Statism is being met with more statism instead of being met with conservatism.

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It’s only rational to meet Left-wing statism with some form of conservatism IF that form of conservatism can win. If it cannot win (or cannot win in any reasonable time frame) then the options I mentioned are all that’s left. There is perhaps one more: one can leave the country like Europeans did in the 1600s.

There are only two ways that this can go. Conservatives can roll over and take it, or they can utterly abandon the pro-”free market” wing of the party. I know that sounds radical, but of the bulk of free-markets willingly choose to engage in such acts, then how can cultural, moral, relgious, and Constitutional conservatives still support such a system that is so obviously a de facto enemy?

Nothing will speed up the rise of socialism, and government power faster than if the “free marketers” make such a move for they will drive the base towards a more statist solution than can peserve the things they hold dear.

If the provisions of the Civil Rights Act could be maintaned as they were intended, we could be fine. But that was never the intention of the Left. Look at where they have brought us. They will fan ethnic and racial tensions to push their worldview. If they are to be resisted, then the leadership cannot be comprised of those GOPe we have in Congress right now. They are liars and milquetoasts. To be honest, I’m not optimkistic at all at our ability to right the ship through the electoral process.

“Democracy is the road to socialism” -Karl Marx