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Know What You Should Do at Mass and Why [barf alert---Freep this pastor!]
Church of the Holy Family bulletin, Diocese of Richmond ^ | Fr. Tom Quinlan

Posted on 01/23/2003 11:51:59 AM PST by Polycarp

Know What You Should Do at Mass and Why

Many parishes have a Miss Manners section which is O.K., but what we need is a Miss Know-Why-You’re-Doing-What-You-Should-Do at Mass, because of the theology it signifies. It is not a local whim!

1. Everyone in this parish should receive a piece of the consecrated Bread, and drink from the common cup. Jesus (not the Church) instituted the Mass in ratione coenae (in the nature of a meal), not in the form of a snack. Nine hundred years of host ("What’s that?" Jesus would say.) history does not excuse us from the twofold facet of communing as Jesus intended and the Bible handed on.

2. People who enter the building, which their presence in Faith will make into a church, should reach into the Baptismal Font and bless themselves, educating their children to do the same. This applies to the innumerable latecomers. Incidentally, if you are ten minutes late (look at your watch in the parking lot), go to another Mass. Missing the three Bible readings manifests your misunderstanding of what Mass is: Word and Meal.

3. Do not leave early. The priest should always be the first one out of the church. If you have prescheduled appointments, reschedule your Mass. Last week I confronted three people leaving early. And one of them, to add insult to injury, had blessed herself on the way out–a meaningless, pietistic gesture.

4. Do not bring any games, toys, Cheerios, etc., to the church building. Little children belong in the nursery, and younger children at the Liturgy of the Word. If you have uncontrollable children, consult psychiatrist listings, or arrange with your life-sharing spouse to go to separate Liturgies until control is restored in the family (which is usually the problem). There are a few exceptions–autistic children, et similia, who are more than welcome.

5. When the cantor introduces the service, answer the "Good Morning" or "Good Evening". That’s the cue to stop conversation. In our parish, the older people seem to be the chief offenders. When the cantor leads the singing, or the lector is reading, they are presiding at that part of the Mass. Look at them and pay attention to them. The overall presider is the presbyter (Priest), but not the only one. Notice that when the cantor is leading the Hallelujah how the priest turns and faces him/her, an acknowledgement of presidency.

6. When there is a lull, it is not a signal to start chattering. I have noticed it before the first reading, at the presentation of gifts, and even during Holy Communion! However, the chattering, laughing, howling, and conversation before the cantor signals the beginning of the service is highly encouraged.

7. When it is time to sing, everyone sing. When it is time to be silent, everyone should be quiet. The Mass has ups and downs built into it. You should have ups and downs in your moods, singing, and actions.

8. Do not be a hostgrabber. Put both hands out for the Eucharistic minister (ordained or not) to place in your hand. Say "amen" loudly so all around you can hear. Look at the Body and Blood as you receive it.n No looking at the priest, or closing your eyes, and certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions. You blessed yourself in the Baptismal Font at the beginning of Mass, and before the opening Prayer–that's enough.

More later.


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To: al_c
We have thousands of people in our parish ... one of the largest in the diocese.

As do we. Something like 2000 families. Of course that is registered, not attending.

Our 4 Masses range from about 250 to 900 people. We use EEMs all the time. Now, with 450 people at a Staurday evening Mass, is that necessary? It's not like ther's a time constraint.

SD

61 posted on 01/24/2003 9:50:19 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: american colleen
I love that book! Also "I love you this much" -- the one with the mother and her son as he grows older and so does she.

OMG! Is that the one where the mother drives across town in the middle of the night with a ladder on the roof of her car, complete with the red hankie at the end signaling an oversized load, to her grown son's home while he is sleeping and crawls commando style through his second story bedroom window just to hold him while he slept?

I damn near passed out for lack of O2 I was laughing so hard when I got to that part reading it to my then 1 yo nephew! I still joke with my sister about it.

62 posted on 01/24/2003 10:07:03 AM PST by TotusTuus
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To: SoothingDave
Our 4 Masses range from about 250 to 900 people. We use EEMs all the time. Now, with 450 people at a Staurday evening Mass, is that necessary? It's not like ther's a time constraint.

4 Masses? You must have a puny parish. ;o)

We have 9 Mass times counting the one on Saturday. There is one Mass that probably doesn't need the EMs ... 1:15 Sunday afternoon (especially if the Cowboys are playing at noon that day). Standing room only at the 10 and 10:10 Masses (one is in the gym) means lots of EMs and not enough parking spaces.

63 posted on 01/24/2003 10:13:33 AM PST by al_c
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To: sandyeggo
I didn't know that! Hmmm...that puts a new slant on things...

Trust me. Little boys love the story of King David - at least the early years. Quick moving and gripping action. He was a man of God and a manly man's man. A true confident leader who was at the tip of the spear. Think "Lord of the Rings" type of hero. Of course, your son will have to get older to understand the great sin of King David. The story of Salvation History takes a turn for the worse at this point and King David is never quite the same. But we did get Psalm 51 out of it!

In fairness to little girls everywhere, the short book of Ruth tends to be their cup of tea. I would subtitle it "The Romance of Redemption". The original Cinderella story.

64 posted on 01/24/2003 10:25:03 AM PST by TotusTuus
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To: al_c
4 Masses? You must have a puny parish. ;o)

This ain't Texas, remember? :-)

We just expanded to seat 1000. We used to have 5 Masses, but they are limiting them, to get used to when we will no longer have 2 priests on staff.

SD

65 posted on 01/24/2003 10:26:17 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: TotusTuus
That's the one! It was pretty funny as you describe it (...crawls commando style through his second story bedroom window just to hold him while he slept), but the end is kind of poignant as the son ends up holding his mother as she is old and infirm. sob!
66 posted on 01/24/2003 10:35:02 AM PST by american colleen
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To: SoothingDave
Now, with 450 people at a Staurday evening Mass, is that necessary?

Well ya know about the < bogus > "participation of all" according to the "Spirit of Vatican II" crowd.

Why form a parishioner group to visit the sick, cook a meal for an elderly parishioner, attend the funeral of a fellow parishioner even if you don't know him personally or visit nursing homes on a regular basis when you can just trot up to the altar and participate in the Catholic life that way? In all fairness, though, EEM's are non-stop actively pursued by the priests and two nuns at my parish. It's a coveted position.

67 posted on 01/24/2003 10:41:30 AM PST by american colleen
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To: heyheyhey
SILENCE 45. [...] Even before the celebration itself, it is praiseworthy for silence to be observed in church, in the sacristy and adjacent areas, so that all may dispose themselves for the sacred rites which are to be enacted in a devout and fitting manner. I was suprised when I returned to the US and found parishes with a "worship space." What message does that convey?
68 posted on 01/24/2003 11:03:47 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Polycarp
You think this priest is a bit off? Look at this story for another one of Bishop Sullivan's band in the poor, benighted Diocese of Richmond.

On Heaven:
``There's just God and me and you. No devil. No angels. But there is a heaven, and Jesus is in it. And I can't wait to get there.''

On his inattention to his health:
``People ask me `Who's your doctor?' I say, `Franklin Funeral Home.' ''

On the Rosary:
``I hate the Rosary.''

On his priorities as a Catholic: ``To me, if you don't serve the poor, then forget it.''

On celebrating marriages:
``The sermon could be seven minutes longer or 27 minutes. If I don't like the bride and groom, I'll talk even longer.''

On himself:
"I hope I haven't scandalized you. I wouldn't mind if I did."

On being a free-thinker:
``When you come to the Catholic church and dip your finger in the holy water, don't throw your brains out at the same time.''

On the design of his last church:
``I hired a Jewish architect. I told him, "If you make it look like a church, I'll kill you.''

Recommendation for his epitaph:
``He was odd.''


69 posted on 01/24/2003 11:23:20 AM PST by american colleen
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To: RobbyS
I was suprised when I returned to the US and found parishes with a "worship space."

The New Oxford Review in one of their famously entertaining ads gave a sample list of the "old" terminology translated into the newspeak:



70 posted on 01/24/2003 11:51:55 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: american colleen
Coleen, that's the same freak as in the article subject of this threak. Fr. Tom Quinlan, goofball extraordinaire. Uncle Wally loves this stuff. And wonders why priestly vocations aren't answered in his diocese. Fortunately, he retires this year. His successor will have a job worthy of Hercules.
71 posted on 01/24/2003 12:01:11 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
Duh! Sorry, I should have remembered the name from the original article. Amazing, isn't it?

The biggest aspect of the story to me, isn't the fact that this guy is certainly not fit to be in the same category with Padre Pio, but that his parishioners love him and his parish is huge and growing and it isn't made up of the usual suspects - the 60s enlightened crowd. I just don't get it. What is wrong with the vast majority of Catholics? We are almost like the UU's.

And that priest isn't going to retire until they take him out in a box (going by the second article).

72 posted on 01/24/2003 12:39:07 PM PST by american colleen (I must be getting old!)
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To: american colleen
I just don't get it.

I don't get it either. My Faith only just survived my time in Norfolk. Oddly, though, my "reversion" experience came about halfway through that time, and with obvious end in sight. I emerged the rightwing, orthodox radical that y'all have come to know and loathe. I think that, if you don't know what the Mass is really all about, because you've never been taught, some of these clown-priests could be fairly entertaining. I've no idea how deep their Faith is. Their knowledge is extremely shallow, though.

73 posted on 01/24/2003 12:45:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: american colleen; ArrogantBustard
In Barrington, IL there is one Willow Creek Community Church. Their mission statement says, "The mission of Willow Creek Community Church is to turn irreligious people into fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ. The sole basis of our belief is the Bible..."

There is nothing specific that they stand for spiritually or doctrinally, yet they are thriving and growing by the hour attracting many lapsed Catholics. A friend of mine said they provide great entertainment during the services ("wheel-of-fortune and price-is-right combined").

74 posted on 01/24/2003 2:12:37 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: Polycarp
Is this the same guy?

"FOOL FOR CHRIST": PRIEST WHOSE BEHAVIOR SOMETIMES SHOCKS BRINGS HIS UNORTHODOX MINISTERIAL WAYS TO BEACH CHURCH

76 posted on 01/24/2003 5:42:29 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: al_c
Re: Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers

I was born and raised in NYC, and when I was growing up, the churches were packed every Sunday. There was one priest distributing Communion -- it seems to me that having the communicants kneel at the altar rail enabled him to work pretty efficiently -- far more efficiently than they do now...and I never EVER saw an EEM.

Oh, I knew what they were, but I had always been under the impression that the EEMs were used to take Communion to the homebound or infirm who could not get to Mass. Sadly, that is no longer the case, and we are now stuck with a veritable CROWD of people up on the altar.

If anyone asked me (and of course, no one has), I'd say bring back the altar rail & let the priest handle it himself. At the EXTRAORDINARILY crowded Masses (at Christmas, etc.), PERHAPS he might need some help, though why they can't dig up another priest to help him is beyond me. (And yes, I know that some parishes only have one priest; I have never been a member of such a parish.)

Regards,



77 posted on 01/24/2003 7:14:26 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: B Knotts
Thanks for the link. I guess there are such things as "Clown masses". I just never thought that the celebrant was the clown. Sheesh!
78 posted on 01/24/2003 8:08:16 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Polycarp
certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions.

Grrrrr... This priest is so far out of line here. He could learn a few things if he read about the saints. Like this one:

Extract from the Jesuit Relations, ca. 1646

"...Father Jogues blessed the food and himself with the Sign of the Cross. 'Stop that', the old [Iroquois] chief snapped at him. 'That gesture is no good. The Dutchmen have told us of it....They hate these ceremonies of yours, and we hate them also. It is the making of that sign which caused the death of your comrade [St. Rene Goupil]; and it will be the cause of your death if you continue to form it among us.'

'That doesn't make any difference to me,' Jogues answered. 'I shall continue to form this Sign of the Cross, since the Author of our lives commands it. Let the people do whatever they please about it.'

I chose the advice of a Saint and Martyr over this priest's, personally.
79 posted on 01/24/2003 10:16:29 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Send this story to the priest. He may even get the point.
80 posted on 01/24/2003 10:34:40 PM PST by RobbyS
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