To: Grig
...anti-mormons love to take statments by our leaders out of context to distort the meaning. Your whole issue with the JoD is a perfect example of that. None of the quotes you gave, in the context of LDS history, culture etc., establish the JoD as cannon, yet you INSIST on ignoring that and cling to a false context since it fits so well with your pre-concieved notions about us. Not just me. Mormons are saying the same thing, you just dismiss it and say they're wrong. Well, what Mormons should we believe? I mean, they all listen to "God" and get their understanding from him. Perhaps this "God" isn't really who Mormons think he is.
To: scripter
"Not just me. Mormons are saying the same thing"
Gosh, you tell me that my saying it isn't cannon doesn't make it so, but you are perfectly willing to take some other person (who you have not identified) saying it is as evidence that it is! Double standard!
I don't know what mistaken member you are refering to either. You have not shown one instance yet of a Mormon claiming it is cannon. You have only given quotations that indicate some members consider it to be of value and then used that as launching point for a huge jump to an unwarrented conclusion. Even the author of the website that hosts the article you linked to, and the article itself admit it is not cannon.
You also totaly ignore the culture and context those remarks were made in which is very hypocritial considering your near worshipfull attitude of hermeneutics. I guess context is everything unless it robs you of a staw man argument against us. Double standards again!
If you walked into any LDS meeting house this Sunday and started asking everyone if the JoD was cannon, I would be VERY surprised if you found anybody who did think that. You can not find one single authoratative statment declaring it to be cannon either.
And I did far more than just state it was not cannon, I presented a detailed explanation and cited the facts of what establishes something as cannon, and how it doesn't meet that standards one bit. You show every sign of having your mind made up and not wanting to be confused by the facts.
"Well, what Mormons should we believe?"
So, does every member of your church understand every doctrine and detail prefectly? Do none of them make errors ever? It's amazing how you can't consider anything other than trusting the word of a mortal. No Mormon would ask you to take their word for it, but to study it out and ask God. The church is true, but no member is perfect.
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01/01/2003 3:24:26 PM PST by
Grig
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