Sunday School Teacher Arrested on Molestation Charges (police say he molesting a 12-year-old boy)

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[restornu]

You are have not said anything new it been going on these threads for over Two years and any evil in the earth is direct at the LDS as the source.

But I have my own views and testimony, and you and others can spread all the gossip you like! Thank God not all of the Religious community believes what you choose to disseminate!

I enjoying exchanging with others, I don't need to change those around me to feel comfortable with my faith!

If you can't love your neightbor as they are, than who are you serving?

[scripter]

But I have my own views and testimony, and you and others can spread all the gossip you like!

What "gossip" is that? Please be specific.

I enjoying exchanging with others,

As do I.

I don't need to change those around me to feel comfortable with my faith!

Hmm, another non sequitor. It appears Wrigley pegged you correctly, something I'm sorry to see. If it helps we call it the Great Commisssion, you can read Jesus' words in Matt 28:16-20 or the commentary on it (you'll need to scroll down).

If you can't love your neightbor as they are, than who are you serving?

The God I serve is named Yahweh and is also known as Elohim, Jehovah, El-Shaddai, Adonai, Jehovah-jireh, Jehovah-rophe, Jehovah-nissi, Jehovah-M'Kaddesh, Jehovah-shalom, Jehovah-tsikdenu, Jehovah-rohi, Jehovah-shammah, depending on His referenced attribute. He is the one true God that has always been God and never a man.

And you? Who are you serving? The God who was once a man?

I follow the teaching of His son Jesus, who was born of a virgin conceived through the Holy Spirit, who was not the brother of Lucipher or Satan, and who has always existed. And you? Whose teaching do you follow?

[restornu]

That is a spin Jesus never was born in a Physical union of the Father and Mary. Heavenly Father is NOT Physical as Mary IS Physical. That site you visit is Twisted and Corrupted! but you kind could careless for it servce your purpose!

All of us here who are LDS have heard this corrupted stuff for years, you try to tell us what we believe! We know what the words mean that puzzle you, and you try in your limited worldly way try to answer things that only the Lord could give you understanding!

Did not Jesus come in the Flesh?

How do you know that at one time the Heavenly Father did NOT also DO like wise?

John 5
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

[scripter]

That site you visit is Twisted and Corrupted

And now you're trying sophistry? Sheesh. What specifically about the site is "Twisted and Corrupted." Where does it twist? What does it corrupt? Specifics, please.

you try to tell us what we believe

Um, those were words from your own teachers, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and others. I'm only repeating the words of your own teachers. What I posted is what you believe unless you don't follow the words of your own previous teachers.

In post 61 you said I was spreading gossip and when asked for clarification you changed the subject. What gossip was I spreading?

In post 61 you also asked who I serve and I answered in detail. When asked who you serve you change the subject. Again, who do you serve - an exalted, glorified man or the one true God?

If you try to change the subject I'm going to keep referring back to post 61.

One more thing... if it's true that "All of us here who are LDS have heard this corrupted stuff for years" then you should be able to provide answers to my queries rather easily. Unless of course every time you hear "this corrupted stuff" the only thing you do is change the subject.

The more you write the more I see how accurately Wrigley described your actions.

[restornu]

1- Was Jesus born in the Flesh? Yes or No
2- Is God physical? Yes or No
3- Was Mary Physical? Yes or No
4- Did Jesus see His Father? Yes or No
5- If Mary is physical and God is immortal could there be a physical Union? Yes or No
6- Script does your father show you how to do things? Yes or No

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I did not change the subject, I ask you a question how sure are you that the Hevenly Father did not do like wise? As we witness things Jesus was able to do! And than Jesus telling us He can only what He SEE His Father Do! ~

You argue that over the couple let - An man is God once Was! I said was not Jesus born in the Flesh? YES OR NO? you did not answer you are the one changing the subject!

John 5: 19-20
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Those who have ears, hear!
Those who have eyes, see!
Those who are of the Lord CAN receive!

Script
you only have interested corrupted, distorted sites. you have DISPLAYED to me you have NO interest in Sincerity! So continue in YOUR ENMITY toward US vs THEM folly etc. live out your law of Congregrate in Hate. I fritter no more time with you!-

Toot a lou!:)

[SkyPilot]

CARepGal,

Incredible that this thread about an abused 12-year old boy turned into this, but I don't think that was your doing.

When you see this:

AHA! Now I see the reason for your hatred against all things Mormon. You're an APOSTATE, an ex-Mormon anti-Mormon! Now it all makes sense.

Don't let your heart be troubled. If you left Mormonism, you left men who asked this:

"Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-Day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test."
Brigham Young

"Convince us of our errors of Doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by Word of God and we will be ever grateful for the information that you will ever have the pleasing reflections that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings.
Orson Pratt

Well then.

1. No Book of Mormon cities have been located

2. No Book of Mormon names have been found in the New World Inscriptions

3. No genuine inscriptions have been found in Hebrew in America

4. No genuine inscriptions have been found in America in Egyptian or anything similar to Egyptian, which could conform to Joseph Smith's references for "reformed Egyptian" (regarding plates supposedly found by Smith during his vision of September 21, 1823)

5. No ancient copies of Book of Mormon scriptures have been found

6. No ancient inscriptions of any k8ind in America, which indicate inhabitants, had Hebrew or Christian beliefs have been found

7. No mention of Book of Mormon persons, nations, or places has ever been found

8. No artifact of any kind, which demonstrates Book of Mormon is true, has ever been found.

Moreover, the Mormon Church teaches that Jesus Christ was a pre-existent spirit like the rest of us. This is in direct contradiction to John 1:14 - "He became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, as of the only begotten of is Father, full of grace and truth." Mormon theology also is in contradiction to Colossians 1:15 on this matter.

Also, the Mormon doctrine of God is contradictory to what the Bible teaches. The Mormons believe in many gods and teach that God Himself was once a man. Moreover, Mormon males have the possibility of attaining god-hood, as Joseph Smith made clear in The King Follett Discourse:

"God was once was we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits in yonder heavens...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in a form like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form of a man.....Here then is eternal life--to know the wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you.

This is in direct contradiction to the Bible, which repeatedly says there is one true God.

"You are My witnesses, declares the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me, there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me.
Isaiah 43:10.

So be glad CARepubGal. You have left something that is, in my view, false.

[scripter]

I did not change the subject

Of course you changed the subject. Here are your exact words from post 61:

But I have my own views and testimony, and you and others can spread all the gossip you like!

You started this when you said I was spreading gossip and when asked for clarification you changed the subject and tried to obfuscate the issue. What gossip was I spreading?

In post 61 you also asked who I serve and I answered in detail. When asked who you serve you changed the subject. Again, who do you serve - an exalted, glorified man or the one true God?

I follow the teachings of Jesus, the one and only Son of God as John 3:16 tells us. Whose teachings to you follow?

If you try to change the subject I'm going to keep referring back to post 61.

And now (in your latest post) you're trying to setup a straw man argument. I realize I'm challenging your worldview and that can be uncomfortable and emotionally difficult. You also may not like me posting your theology in a public forum where everyone can what your leaders have taught. I'm sorry if I've made you uncomfortable, that was not my intent. Your goal should be to have correct theology and I'm trying to help you see bad theology for what it is.

Instead of posting some canned response try answering my questions. If you don't want to answer the questions then you need to retract your statement that I'm spreading gossip.

[Wrigley]

Well said.

[restornu]

Gossip is engaging in hearsay!

BTW You did NOT answer my Legitimate questions! Twice you dismissed my questions! Now you would like to lable them as strawman!

As LDS we have been through the years subjected to unending trahsing on this forum! The LDS have heard and see it all, all of our lives On and Off of the public forum of life!

There is nothing new you could say that has not been hashed out before on these threads!

[scripter]

Gossip is engaging in hearsay!

You seem to be saying words from your own leaders are hearsay. Is that's not what you're saying then where have I engaged in gossip?

BTW You did NOT answer my Legitimate questions! ... Now you would like to lable them as strawman!

By asking questions instead of providing answers you're trying to obfuscate the issue and change the subject.

Here are your exact words from post 61:

But I have my own views and testimony, and you and others can spread all the gossip you like!

You started this when you said I was spreading gossip.What gossip was I spreading? In post 61 you also asked who I serve and I answered in detail. When asked who you serve you changed the subject. Again, who do you serve - an exalted, glorified man or the one true God?

I follow the teachings of Jesus, the one and only Son of God as John 3:16 tells us. Whose teachings to you follow?

If you try to change the subject again I'm going to keep referring back to post 61. Your goal should be to have correct theology and I'm trying to help you see bad theology for what it is. Maybe it will sink in this time.

[scripter]

Argh! I forgot to fix this typo:

Whose teachings to you follow?

should be

Whose teachings do you follow?

[restornu]

1- Was Jesus born in the Flesh? Yes or No
2- Is God physical? Yes or No
3- Was Mary Physical? Yes or No
4- Did Jesus see His Father? Yes or No
5- If Mary is physical and God is immortal could there be a physical Union? Yes or No
6- Script does your father show you how to do things? Yes or No

These are SOME of the question I heard Sunday from a preacher on TV asking his congregation as he was preaching and they responded! Now you want to say this is strawman you are being disingenuous!

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When asked who you serve you changed the subject. Again, who do you serve - an exalted, glorified man or the one true God?

I believe in Jesus Christ and ~ This JESUS CHRIST CHURCH, NOT Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, or Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, Moses etc. it is JESUS CHRIST church Jesus is ahead of his Church and Jesus speaks through his prophets, what is so hard to understand!

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You seem to be saying words from your own leaders are hearsay. Is that's not what you're saying then where have I engaged in gossip?

The exact words and texts in what the the prophets said are on the offical LDS web site.

If it is TRUTH you SEEK!

[scripter]

I believe in Jesus Christ and ~ This JESUS CHRIST CHURCH, NOT Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, or Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, Moses etc. it is JESUS CHRIST church Jesus is ahead of his Church and Jesus speaks through his prophets, what is so hard to understand!

Hey - thanks for answering! I really didn't think you would. Now I have some questions for you to get a better idea of who Jesus is to you. The following chart lists Mormon and biblical teachings about Jesus. From everything I can find the list appears accurate.

How do you as a Mormon reconcile the differences between Mormon doctrine and what the Bible says about Jesus? You can click on any cross referenced link for more information.

	Mormon Teaching	Biblical Teaching
Conception	Jesus was conceived by physical union between God the Father and Mary 1	Jesus was conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit 2
Marital Status	Jesus had several wives 3	No indication that Jesus was married 4
Relationship to Satan	Jesus was the brother of Lucifer (Satan) 5	Satan is only a fallen, created angel 6
Origin	Jesus was created 7,11	Jesus always was, is now, and forever shall be God; all things were created through Jesus 8
Deity	The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct gods 9	There is only one God, but three distinct Persons in the Godhead 10
His Constancy	Jesus is our elder brother who progressed to become a god 11	Jesus has existed as God eternally 12
Role in Our Salvation	Jesus Christ plays only an initial role in our salvation 13	Salvation is through trust in the finished work of Christ on the cross alone, apart from any work by us 14
	Certain sins are beyond the atoning blood of Christ 15	Christ's sacrifice on the cross was complete 16
	Jesus is only one of many saviors 17	Jesus is the one and only Savior 18
Personal Relationship	A personal relationship with Christ is discouraged as false doctrine 19	A personal relationship with Christ is a central part of Christianity 20

You still haven't provided any evidence that I engaged in gossip.

[restornu]

In all due respect I have engage in these STRAWMAN QUESTIONS in the past and this is STRAWMAN for they set you with their twist and I must spend all my time untangling the truth form the spin! NO THANKS! you can answer them yourself if you want truth at lds.org

This is gossip and viper tales for they are half truth and half lies! and some out right distortions!

I can see this gives you great pleasurer, you care NOT if it is corrupted, just so long you get your Jollies!

[scripter]

I can see this gives you great pleasurer, you care NOT if it is corrupted, just so long you get your Jollies!

I'm sorry you see it that way. My intent is only to help you see bad theology for what it is.

The quotes are pulled directly from Mormon and biblical sources and I cannot see any evidence of misrepresentation. Let's just take one at a time... According to Mormon doctrine, are Jesus and Lucifer brothers?

I get no "great pleasure" out of making you uncomfortable.

[restornu]

It seems you mean well, I have done all of this stuff endlessly for months, it is the same stuff RESHUFFELD. And yes you think those site are accurate and yet I have done enough of them to know, when I had the whole source in front of me it was very misleading! Been there done that:)

Adieu

[Republic]

Your leadership sounds very top heavy and legalistic. Rather pharisee like. Surely your leadership doesn't assume powers associated with our Father and the Lord Jesus....and no other person in your church, historically or present would EVER assume anything approaching this perfect compliment of Father and Son, correct?

I just found out recently that the big church in Salt lake does not allow people-either family or friends- of the bride and groom to attend their wedding therein if such people have not managed to attain a certain sort of law or credential, whatever, with the church bigwigs. How sick is that? I wonder what Jesus would have to say about that? He loved weddings, open, rollicking, joyous weddings wherein the entire family and friends gathered to celebrate the most Holy of events-a marriage. Could this be true? Could the mormon chuch with all of its rules and regulations and traps actually level such a hideous ruling to exclude people from a big church wedding? Surely not. Such a cold law would never come from our Father. Ever. He is love.

[Wrigley]

Great chart. I'll keep that saved for future use.

rest, here is a great opportunity for you to show us where we are wrong. But unfortunatly, from your post to scripter, I see you have decided to run off.

Go back and look very closely at the chart. Study the differences. I pray that God will indeed clear your eyes and see just how foreign and wrong your Mormon beliefs are.

[Wrigley]

rest, study the chart. You have not ever addressed the points that scripter now, and others in the past have raised.

Do it now.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

As a father with three small children, I would go ballistic if anyone sexually abused them in any way. The pervert would suffer horribly.

I am with you. We are alike. However, I would offer a small bit of advice.

Don't go ballistic in public. You'll never get a shot at the perp. Either strike quickly and stealthily (if it looks like bail will be denied) or bide your time and strike while the animal is free on bail awaiting trial. Plan your work and work your plan.

To go ballistic and strike out in the heat of the moment only puts you behind bars and leaves your family in dire straits.

There may be some out there that think I'm talking like a whacko. Maybe so. But anyone that strikes at my family will have far less to fear from the legal system than they do from my justice system.