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Alert Umma there is a 90% chance that we will see the Jewish Dajjal in our lifetime
clearguidance.com | 10/18/2002 | clearguidance

Posted on 10/18/2002 12:50:49 AM PDT by ganesha

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To: CCWoody; Dajjal; lockeliberty; drstevej; RnMomof7
After cg came back I decided to search the site for anything that might be interesting before it got shut down again. The dajjal story caught my eye because I have been reading "The End of Days ,Fundamentalism and the struggle for the Temple Mount" by Gershom Gorenberg.

The thing about the red heifer comes from a mistranslation of the Bible. At the time the King James Version Bible was translated, the word "cattle" meant any livestock not just cows. The Hebrew word it was translated from only referred to sheep or goats, not cows. The people who are breeding red cows don't realize this point.

In the Muslim version of the story, the Jewish Mesiah and the antichrist are the same person who is called "Dajjal". He will arrive from the east leading an army of jews. Jesus will then fight a battle against dajjal and defeat him. Afterward, Jesus will break all crosses, kill all pigs, and make Islam the worlds only religious faith. The dead will be raised up and all humanity will be gathered to be judged by Allah in the valley of Jehosafat outside the walls of Jerusalem. In some versions of the story Jesus is shares his role as redeemer with a figure called the mahdi.

People who believed they were following the mahdi engaged in a revolt against the British Empire in the Sudan in the nineteenth century. Several movies have been made about this, the most recent of which was "The Four Feathers"

When Muhammed founded Islam he believed that the end of the world was near. He is quoted as saying, "Behold! God sent me with a sword, just before the Hour, and placed my daily sustenance beneath the shadow of my spear, and humiliation and contempt upon those who oppose me." The warriors who spread Islam believed that it was their duty to conquer the world before the Last Day and that not much time was left.




21 posted on 10/19/2002 12:47:51 PM PDT by ganesha
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To: drstevej; Dajjal
Muslims don't ignore the part about the red cow. In "Deflecting the Arrows from the Book" by Amin Jamal al Din , "the red cow...born recently in Haifa in what they call Israel" portends that the coming of the antichrist "is an arrows shot away or closer". When the cow "reaches its full development in the third year of its life, it will be sacrificed at the Temple of Solomon, and the person who will do this will be their king, their redeemer, the Antichrist."
22 posted on 10/19/2002 12:59:06 PM PDT by ganesha
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To: ganesha
*** Afterward, Jesus will break all crosses, kill all pigs, and make Islam the worlds only religious faith. ***

Is "pigs" in this statement a reference to Christians and Jews? Islam sure is peaceful.
23 posted on 10/19/2002 1:04:14 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I don't know. It could mean that the world will be purified and therefore nothing which is unclean will remain. In sura 5 verse 60 the koran does speak of Allah turning people into pigs and swine.

Say: "Shall I inform you who will receive the worst chastisement from God? They who were condemned by God and on whom fell his wrath, and those who were turned to apes and swine, and those who worship the powers of evil. They are in the wors gradation and farthest away from the right path."
24 posted on 10/19/2002 1:53:25 PM PDT by ganesha
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Is "pigs" in this statement a reference to Christians and Jews? Islam sure is peaceful.

Here's a slightly different interpretation of the paragraph: since Islam is an epitome not only of peace, but of tolerance too, they'll need that many pigs to feast on celebrating the coming of their mahdi or what's-his-name in their mumbo-jumbo...

25 posted on 10/19/2002 2:11:48 PM PDT by Neophyte
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In the Muslim version of the story,... Jesus will then fight a battle against dajjal and defeat him.... In some versions of the story Jesus is shares his role as redeemer with a figure called the mahdi.

It's the other way around. The Mahdi is the major character, and Jesus is in the supporting cast. The Mahdi comes to save the world from the Dajjal, Jesus joins him, subordinates himself to the Mahdi, and fights at the Mahdi's side. The Mahdi is a direct descendent of Mohammed, and is the purist Muslim since Mohammed. The Mahdi kills the Dajjal and all infidels everywhere (that means us), and governs the world in perfect shar'ia until the Day of Judgment. Some hadith seem to say that Jesus gets to strike the fatal blow against the Dajjal.

Jesus also chastises his so-called followers (the ones who believe in the Trinity). He breaks their crosses, kills their pigs, and levels their churches. He chastises the Jews for not recognizing him as the Messiah. He helps the Mahdi convert the world to Islam (or kill the stubborn).

The Dajjal is the greatest evil to threaten the earth since the serpent of Eden. Traditional Islam taught that he would be a one-eyed giant. But since the 1980's imams have been teaching that "one-eyed giant" could be an allegory for a powerful nation or a culture. Folks, that means you and me.

These beliefs are commonly accepted throughout the Muslim world. Not every Muslim believes that the United States or Western Culture is the Dajjal and that the Mahdi's appearance is at hand -- but this belief is extremely popular and widespread throughout the globe. And a handful of Muslims are willing to take the next step and enlist in the war against the Dajjal.

These people are signing up for the Mahdi's and Jesus' army, and believe that their scripture guarantees them a glorious victory over us. They believe this is the final battle before the Last Day. This is why they have no fear of the might and power of the U.S. Armed Forces. That is why they have no need for a future.

This is what Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld have not told you yet. This is not about politics or economics or even religious ideology. This is about the great battle where all non-Muslims are killed, and Islam covers the globe.

Do a google search on any of the key words and see what you find. Look up Prof. David Cook while you're at it.

26 posted on 10/20/2002 4:57:55 AM PDT by Dajjal
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They believe this is the final battle before the Last Day

In this respect, they might be right.

Pinging to an "interesting" thread...

27 posted on 10/20/2002 6:00:37 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Dajjal
believe that their scripture guarantees them a glorious victory over us

Excellent. Since a victory is guaranteed, the bullshit Muslim machos don't bother to do anything in order to bring it over. Tough luck, guys.

It's the same "philosophy" that stops them from taking care of the sewage for instance. As a result, the whole glorious world of Islam stinks to heavens. I presume, the Allah's paradise with all female and male virgins promised to the fidels would also divinely stink... if it existed.

28 posted on 10/20/2002 6:08:39 AM PDT by Neophyte
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the bullshit Muslim machos don't bother to do anything in order to bring it over.

Tell that to the families of the people who died on 9/11, or on the USS Cole, or from the suicide bombers in Israel, or in Bali a week ago.

29 posted on 10/20/2002 6:55:00 AM PDT by Dajjal
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Muslims don't ignore the part about the red cow.

Sinch the Muslims accept the OT and NT as valid scripture, the imams will mention the red heifer when they integrate Jewish and Christian prophecies with their own.

But, to the best of my knowledge, the red heifer is not one of the Signs of Qiyamah prophesied by Mohammed in the Hadith.

30 posted on 10/20/2002 7:11:19 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
Tell that to the families of the people who died

A killing spree isn't something new for the Islamofascists... but this will not lead them to a victory. Quite the opposite: this time they'd bitten more than they can swallow. They are doomed.

31 posted on 10/20/2002 7:25:31 AM PDT by Neophyte
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To: Dajjal
He chastises the Jews for not recognizing him as the Messiah.

I didn't think the Muslims believed Jesus to be the Messiah. I know they consider him a great prophet perhaps second in importance to Mohammed but obiviously not the Messiah in the christian sense or the jewish sense. What are the characteristics of the Mahdi in the Muslim legends?

Thanks for the info and cool screen name.

32 posted on 10/20/2002 8:34:10 AM PDT by lockeliberty
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To: Polycarp
I had read the article..I did not know what a dajjal was..but if it be THAT day or not..the fact THEY think it is is very...dangerous to Christians and Jews..May the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob watch over all of us..
33 posted on 10/20/2002 12:56:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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What about the black flags from Khorasan.....
34 posted on 10/20/2002 1:20:05 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: lockeliberty
Does this have anything to do with the 'Red Heifer'?

Or the ashes thereof.....

35 posted on 10/20/2002 1:26:49 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Dajjal
This is what Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld have not told you yet.

Thanks. Very informative. It's better to know what makes them tick than not.

The reason that the sheeple will never hear about this is that the liberals who populate the media cannot accept as a logical possibility that people can be motivated by religious belief. Ultimately for them, all conflict must be based on some kind of class struggle.

36 posted on 10/20/2002 2:20:11 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: ganesha
You need to lay off that beladonna, son, it's addled your mind and you're hallucinating!
Just for the record, the end has been nigh for all of recorded history. Even back in the ancient Egyptian and Babylonian cultures, they had these sad saps wandering around wailing about the "end of time." Don't hold or breath. I put it in the same category as Californian falling into the ocean, global warming and the Milleniium Bug. I have no plans to cancel my life insurance and sell the house.
37 posted on 10/20/2002 4:04:43 PM PDT by FrankC
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I've done a little bit of research on al-Mahdi, too. Part of the legend/prophecy is that al-Mahdi's army will come from the area of Afghanistan, will have a black flag as its standard, and will not be stopped before it reaches Jerusalem.

There exists a photograph of bin Laden at a news conference, and the backdrop is a black flag. I personally think bin Laden's organization thinks it is part of the al-Mahdi movement.

The Islamists see this war on an entirely different plane than we do - it is a holy war. In this situation it's not a problem for a Muslim engaged in jihad against the infidel to lie or deceive the enemy.

We're the Crusaders and the Jews, and if we don't convert then they'd like to kill us, plain and simple. Whether you're working in an office building, carrying a rifle or pumping gas, you are a target.

Have a nice day.

38 posted on 10/20/2002 6:11:18 PM PDT by Bosco
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I have no problem believing that the Muslims are engaged in holy war. I'm of the opinion that it's a war of anniliation.
We best be getting to it then.
39 posted on 10/20/2002 7:33:01 PM PDT by STD
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What about the black flags from Khorasan.....
34 posted on 10/20/02 1:20 PM Pacific by Siobhan

Part of the legend/prophecy is that al-Mahdi's army will come from the area of Afghanistan, will have a black flag as its standard, and will not be stopped before it reaches Jerusalem.
There exists a photograph of bin Laden at a news conference, and the backdrop is a black flag. I personally think bin Laden's organization thinks it is part of the al-Mahdi movement.
38 posted on 10/20/02 6:11 PM Pacific by Bosco

Bosco: Absolutely!

Siobhan: Khorasan = Afghanistan. Mohammed had two flags: a white flag for the Islamic State, and a black flag for Jihad. One of the Signs of Qiyamah is that an army from Khorasan will ride before the Mahdi and conquer territory and peoples in his name.

40 posted on 10/20/2002 9:40:53 PM PDT by Dajjal
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