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To: ponyespresso
If you cannot establish that Jesus was omniscient in this verse, with divine aftknowledge and foreknowledge (and you cannot) then your whole argument falls flat (and it does). And, because you cannot move on from this false start, everything you say after this is meaningless.

Nope. As I said before (a point which you have singularly failed to answer) I don't even have to concern myself with the economy of Jesus' incommunicable attributes (omniscience, omnipotence, etc.) during the Incarnation to know that the Father would guard His mouth from speaking error. Do you honestly believe that Jesus ever uttered a statement which was, in its factual particulars, FALSE?? Even if we discount Omniscience in the context of the Mysteries of the Incarnation, do you believe that the Father would permit Jesus to utter a Statement which was, in its factual particulars, FALSE??

"If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."

You are beginning to grasp at straws as you realize that in order to deny Absolute Predestination, you have to call Jesus a Liar. Now, you very much want to deny Absolute Predestination, but you do not want to directly expose yourself by actually Calling Him a liar. So, it becomes necessary to imagine scenarios in which you can claim that what Jesus said was FACTUALLY FALSE, but without directly and specifically calling Him a Liar.

It won't work, of course. You'll be hoisted upon your own petard every time.


It is as I have said --- Do you honestly believe that the Father would permit Jesus to utter a Statement which was, in its factual particulars, FALSE??

"If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."

Choose this day whom you will serve -- Christianity, or Human Synergism. For these two religions are mortal enemies, and always have been. The former is the pure worship of God, the latter is quite demonstrably Satanic.

339 posted on 08/11/2002 3:05:42 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
It is obvious that you are more interested in impregnating Scripture with your own beliefs in order to support those philosophies that you have aligned yourself with, rather than simply let Scripture speak for Itself. And there is obviously nothing I can do to open your eyes to your false logic, because you clearly have so passionately invested yourself, both personally and spiritually, into these beliefs. So be it.

Just know this. I have only tried to point out what I thought was a misstep in your logic. I have never attacked you, nor really your beliefs. However, you seem to think that those who merely disagree with your interpretation of Scripture are heretics and somehow satanic. Please think about that response.

I'll leave you with the words of Thomas A Kempis, from his book Imitation of Christ

"If I knew everything in the world and did not have love, what good would it do me before God, who will judge me by what I have done? Calm that excessive thirst for knowledge, for there is great discord and deception in it. People who have great learning are often eager to appear wise, and they often wish others to recognize them as wise people. There are many things that you can know about, though, that are of little or no use to the soul, and a person is exceedingly foolish who reaches for anything that does not lead toward salvation. Endless reading and talk do not satisfy the soul, but a good life puts the mind at rest, and a clean conscience brings great confidence in God. The more you know and the better you know it, the greater is your responsibility for using your knowledge wisely."

I do not desire to fight, nor do I deserve to be called satanic. So, I will leave.

341 posted on 08/12/2002 3:27:55 AM PDT by ponyespresso
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Re. your recent exchanges with ftD and ponyespresso:

...let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Romans 3:4)

342 posted on 08/12/2002 6:06:47 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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